AK Painting Pencils

[Tecumsea]

https://www.zinnfigur.com/Farben-We...fte-fuer-Modellbauer-Metalle-Effekte-Set.html

Just been watching this video, anyone any experience of using these on figures shields, rifles etc?

Keith

 

[1969]

Look interesting would also like to know if anyone has used them.
Steve

 

[OldTaff]

Thanks for posting that ,Keith; I haven't seen these before, but they certainly look worth investigating. Might be the answer for increasingly shaky hands

Alan

 

[Tecumsea]

You and me both Alan Drying time would be interesting as well-I can see quite a lot of uses for these.

Keith

 

[OldTaff]

 

[peedee]

Just use the ordinary watercolour pencils from your artshop mate, this idea, to my mind is as excellent exciting and deserving of our cash as is their turned brass toothpick.

 

[NeilW]

Just use the ordinary watercolour pencils from your artshop mate, this idea, to my mind is as excellent exciting and deserving of our cash as is their turned brass toothpick.

Exactly what I was going to say. In fact I dug out an old orc-type from my son's old collection and had a go with my Derwent and Caran d'Ashe water soluble pencils with a fair degree of success for highlighting and shadowing. Tried both dry and wet (just the tip of the pencil) but I don't have any metallics so don't know how well they work (metallics are available, as are metallic spirit pens).

There's a cheapo set with a good range of shades here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Coloured-P...YB4G2TPDM5S&psc=1&refRID=EJ9FDE1GXYB4G2TPDM5S

 

[peedee]

Poundland will save you more, watercolour pencils are all the same, unless you are fine art sketching.
whatever you use them for on your models they need a seal of matt varnish.

 

[yellowcat]

Those are just the same watercolour pencils that I seldom used in my art college. Nothing new but clever marketing for selling to modelers.

 

[Tecumsea]

Seems to be a lot of comments from those who haven't actually used them but happy to make assumptions regarding their properties, still waiting a response from someone who has actually used them. It is a pity if it is just a rebranding of something that has existed for years. I'm still keeping an open mind rightly or wrongly time will tell.

 

[yellowcat]

May be the next big thing in the pipeline for the modelers are the oil pastels, oil sticks and oil bars that you can wash with turpentine or white spirit.

 

[Tommi]

A few guys in my local model club use these on armour and aircraft but also use normal unbranded watercolour pencils that do the same thing.

Tommi

 

[kagemusha]

May be the next big thing in the pipeline for the modelers are the oil pastels, oil sticks and oil bars that you can wash with turpentine or white spirit.

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They wouldn't work...too high a percentage of wax in them...won't bond to surface primers or acrylics etc.

 

[yellowcat]

They wouldn't work...too high a percentage of wax in them...won't bond to surface primers or acrylics etc.

May be they can change the ingredients like the water soluble oil colours to make it work.

 

[NeilW]

Interesting that Tommi says that the people who've tried them also use standard watercolour pencils.

Re-positioning as a 'new' product catering for a segment's 'special needs' is the oldest trick in the marketing book (I did and taught mktg). Best UK example is Lucozade, once the recuperative drink of the ill and infirm (bought in chemists), then re-positioned as a glucose boost for the fit and healthy; similarly Complan was re-branded and re-positioned from a negative food to keep the infirm alive to a positive diet aid (funnily enough, both entailed price hikes).

Dertwent do a high pigment and waterfast (once dry) version available in a range of colurs here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000PD3M84/ref=psdc_213646031_t2_B000TKCWCU

and as metallics: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Derwent-700456-Watercolour-Traditional-Professional/dp/B000TKCWCU

You can also buy individual colours.

This YouTube compares standard vs intense versions:

Here's another link for a special offer (Cowling & Wilcox are a pukka Co selling quality materials: UK postage is £1.99 for any size order, over £40 free, so check out other deals such as brushes).

https://www.cowlingandwilcox.com/wa..._COPY_01)&mc_cid=c63a256e50&mc_eid=804324b8cf

https://www.cowlingandwilcox.com/se..._COPY_01)&mc_cid=c63a256e50&mc_eid=804324b8cf

 

[NeilW]

Not a masterpiece and not a contender for FOTM, but this is the GW Orc that I experimented on with Caran d'Ache pencils. Most of it was flat solid colours with some pretty crude washes on the 'flesh', so with a bit of experimentation I was able to create shadows and highlights (all done dry-tip: I'll try washing the colours out later). The metal highlights are pure white.

The blood on the ball was done straight onto metal paint using a red with the tip dampened: note the caking effect, similar to ak's flaking and rust (or mud)

I reckon that those Derwent Intense would give stronger tints.

 

[Tecumsea]

Interesting that Tommi says that the people who've tried them also use standard watercolour pencils.

Re-positioning as a 'new' product catering for a segment's 'special needs' is the oldest trick in the marketing book (I did and taught mktg). Best UK example is Lucozade, once the recuperative drink of the ill and infirm (bought in chemists), then re-positioned as a glucose boost for the fit and healthy; similarly Complan was re-branded and re-positioned from a negative food to keep the infirm alive to a positive diet aid (funnily enough, both entailed price hikes).

NO doubt the price hikes were to pay for the Marketing Executive salaries and the extensive re-branding Marketing and Advertising Launch.............I was involved in both Marketing and Advertising in my Career.....so much ********....but that is what makes the world go round....

Keith

 

[Mirofsoft]

Since the night of times, painters used black pencils of different hardness to imitate metal/steel on figurines

 

[NeilW]

Since the night of times, painters used black pencils of different hardness to imitate metal/steel on figurines

Yes, and black lead (for old style cooking ranges, grates etc)... can you still get it?

 

[housecarl]

''Can you still get it?''