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Abit more progress today - I put a couple of coats of Black on the doors then set them aside to dry, then I returned to my Cuirassiers I added abit more paint to finish them minus a few washes and dusting.
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Love it , keep it up W!!!
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@David not sure if I posted these - re our chat about the interior of the Farm House, here are a few photos of my interpretation, was hard (Impossible) to know for certain the actual layout of the interior but I gave a good guess at how I thunk It might have looked.
They show the kitchen with stoned floor and under stairs loo, and the upstairs with a partition wall and basic wood floor boards that I made narrower after that pic was taken.
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Understairs loo on 1815? How very modern.
Looking forward to seeing more of this
Great work keep it up
Neil
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W,
As a matter of interest, when I first posted about the three spiked French guns used in the barricade I did not know where Brendan Simms had referenced it from for his book.
Having just re-read "The Reminiscences of Friedrich Lindau" again I found it there. Having been there in the KGL I suppose he can be relied on for the information; although where these three guns came from is beyond me. I have not read of and guns being taken or overrun at Quatre Bras and I don't suppose anyone in the Allied army had time to run any off during the hurried retreat of the 17th.
By all account's though, it sounds like the barricade resembled more of a jumble of rubbish than any organized structure.
David
As a matter of interest, when I first posted about the three spiked French guns used in the barricade I did not know where Brendan Simms had referenced it from for his book.
Having just re-read "The Reminiscences of Friedrich Lindau" again I found it there. Having been there in the KGL I suppose he can be relied on for the information; although where these three guns came from is beyond me. I have not read of and guns being taken or overrun at Quatre Bras and I don't suppose anyone in the Allied army had time to run any off during the hurried retreat of the 17th.
By all account's though, it sounds like the barricade resembled more of a jumble of rubbish than any organized structure.
David
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Evening all, doors painted and dusted - just needs gluing in place.
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You are a busy man, wow. Great work, W!
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So next job will be to reach into my dio and fit the doors - then I will carry on with my figures - still not sure if I should add more 5th KGL (Red jackets) as in fairness there was far less of these as only One squadron was sent down compared to Four-Five of the Green jacket 1st and 2nd KGL Light.
@David what do you think as I said above only the one Squadron of 5th Red jackets was sent down to support the 1st and 2nd KGL light (Green jackets).
If you look at this painting done it shows an overwhelming amount of 1st and 2nd KGL and latter in the day some Nassau Troops where sent down as the fight for LHS was getting quite grim with a shortage of Rifle Ammo.
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Hi W
Nice woodwork on those doors ......would they not be a little damaged with musket shot etc
Look forward to seeing the doors in place
Have fun
Nap
Nice woodwork on those doors ......would they not be a little damaged with musket shot etc
Look forward to seeing the doors in place
Have fun
Nap
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Door/s placed, please excuse the lighting my dio is on my side board and the only lighting was off my optovisor.
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Now I understand why you made them out of paper...
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Well you asked for it!
The following information fromMark Adkin's Waterloo Companion - if you only want one book on the subject this is it!
The initial garrison (2nd Light KGL) - barely 400 men, (6 companies of about 65). Approx 200 in the orchard, 130 in the buildings and one company (approx 65) in the garden.
Two companies of the 1st light battalion KGL also in the garden, each about 85 strong bringing the total there to about 200 - 235 total.
The light company 5th line battalion KGL (red uniforms) approx 85 total all ranks.
The light company 1/2 Nassau Regt - about 150 all ranks. (Adkin says these had red uniforms which I take to be a mistake as to my knowledge they were green).
(Some Luneberg survivors would also be present - numbers unknown. ) lets say (my guess) 20 men
FLANQUER /OFFICER 1ST NASSAU SGT 2ND NASSAU
(from Haythornthwaite's Uniforms of Waterloo0)
Back to Adkin;- This gives;- 1.30-2.30 p.m. -400 men
3.00-5.00 p.m. -500 men (the approx time of the 5th's arrival)
5.00 - 6.00p.m -550 men
6.00p.m. - 450 men
To my Maths this gives 85 red jackets to 740 green at any time after the 5th's arrival (not withstanding casualities at any one time) or 11.5%. So i think a 1 in 10 total ratio (for orchard ,garden and buildings would give
a reasonable impression.
THE GATE LOOKS GREAT BY THE WAY!
David
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Some more notes I found from Adkin that might be of use:-
For your interior. I always assumed the "passage through the house was simply a run through the occupied rooms.
Adkin shows the passage to be - just that- a kind of tunnel through the building with a door at each end - (what we in the North used to call a Ginnel).
The door on the right of the main house in the photo being the "passage". - this means troops could escape from the courtyard directly
Some diagrams of the battle
Initial deployment;- 1.30 - 2.30
3.00 - 5.00 p..m.
After the French capture.
Sorry for the poor photography. the box at the bottom of the last diagram continues; - "main gate.The garrison....retreats through the passageway to the Garden. Baring finds the garden untenable and abandons La Haie Sainte around 6.35".
Other stuff; - Lt Graeme of the KGL states that "we had no loopholes excepting three great appatures, which we made with difficulty ....in the morning......Later in the day the Enemy got possession of one near the pond and fired on us."
Adkin ; " This meant shooting over the walls was often not possible and seriously restricted through them. Graeme and his men had to lie or kneel on the roof of the piggery to fire at the enemy."
And "loopholes" (presumably made by the soldiers themselves) "were few and there were no platforms built behind the walls"
(This was because the pioneers had been sent to Hougoumont before La Haye was garrisoned.)
For these reasons I Personally think the most casualties occurred in the Orchard, in the Barn - defending the open doorway and the garden - although until to the end this was more easily defended being walled on the east side, covered by the main Allied lines to the north and the 95th rifles to the north east.
If the French only had access to one large loophole for most of the day I imagine serious injuries caused within the building complex itself would be relatively low until the gates and Barn were finally breached - (just my own thoughts).
Brendan Simms, in his book "The Longest Afternoon" also suggests some stragglers from the 8th Line Battalion may have made it to the farm buildings.
A lot has been made of Baring's statement that he only mustered 42 men "at the end". In saying that he was only referring to his own command alone (the 2nd Battalion), and it does not account for those wounded, those left in the house, those taken prisoner or those who wandered off after the retreat "in search of ammunition" etc. Most of the garrison did ultimately survive.
Baring himself stated that after they rejoined the main line in the sunken road, and despite all his pleas, the whole command crumbled.
Brandis, (Baring's Aide de Camp), ran into him "completely isolated without a single man of his Battalion".
Baring eventually staggered back to the rear where he found a horse and returned to the front alone. He tried to restore order there but was ignored and is reported to have heard men shouting "shoot Baring!" in their haste to retreat
Fortunately, this was just as the general advance had been ordered. He met his Divisional quartermaster-sergeant and they finally settled down on some straw to sleep - a humble end to an extra-ordinary day.
Phew! think I need to go and lie down myself now.
David
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For your interior. I always assumed the "passage through the house was simply a run through the occupied rooms.
Adkin shows the passage to be - just that- a kind of tunnel through the building with a door at each end - (what we in the North used to call a Ginnel).
The door on the right of the main house in the photo being the "passage". - this means troops could escape from the courtyard directly
Some diagrams of the battle
Initial deployment;- 1.30 - 2.30
3.00 - 5.00 p..m.
After the French capture.
Sorry for the poor photography. the box at the bottom of the last diagram continues; - "main gate.The garrison....retreats through the passageway to the Garden. Baring finds the garden untenable and abandons La Haie Sainte around 6.35".
Other stuff; - Lt Graeme of the KGL states that "we had no loopholes excepting three great appatures, which we made with difficulty ....in the morning......Later in the day the Enemy got possession of one near the pond and fired on us."
Adkin ; " This meant shooting over the walls was often not possible and seriously restricted through them. Graeme and his men had to lie or kneel on the roof of the piggery to fire at the enemy."
And "loopholes" (presumably made by the soldiers themselves) "were few and there were no platforms built behind the walls"
(This was because the pioneers had been sent to Hougoumont before La Haye was garrisoned.)
For these reasons I Personally think the most casualties occurred in the Orchard, in the Barn - defending the open doorway and the garden - although until to the end this was more easily defended being walled on the east side, covered by the main Allied lines to the north and the 95th rifles to the north east.
If the French only had access to one large loophole for most of the day I imagine serious injuries caused within the building complex itself would be relatively low until the gates and Barn were finally breached - (just my own thoughts).
Brendan Simms, in his book "The Longest Afternoon" also suggests some stragglers from the 8th Line Battalion may have made it to the farm buildings.
A lot has been made of Baring's statement that he only mustered 42 men "at the end". In saying that he was only referring to his own command alone (the 2nd Battalion), and it does not account for those wounded, those left in the house, those taken prisoner or those who wandered off after the retreat "in search of ammunition" etc. Most of the garrison did ultimately survive.
Baring himself stated that after they rejoined the main line in the sunken road, and despite all his pleas, the whole command crumbled.
Brandis, (Baring's Aide de Camp), ran into him "completely isolated without a single man of his Battalion".
Baring eventually staggered back to the rear where he found a horse and returned to the front alone. He tried to restore order there but was ignored and is reported to have heard men shouting "shoot Baring!" in their haste to retreat
Fortunately, this was just as the general advance had been ordered. He met his Divisional quartermaster-sergeant and they finally settled down on some straw to sleep - a humble end to an extra-ordinary day.
Phew! think I need to go and lie down myself now.
David
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