Henk
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I found the other photo that I was looking for, I knew I'd seen these two, photographed from another angle. The photo I found, shows their right side, perfect for my needs, but I'm sure I've also seen a photo of the two of them face on to the camera.
I don't know if I can post the picture here, because Alamy has spoiled the photo with their "copy right" markers, although it is bejond me how an 80 year old picture by a German war photographer, can be in copy right of a commercial company today. Still, don't want to get PlanetFigure into trouble... (Kev, if it is ok to show, please let me know)
This photo, throws up a number of issues.
From this angle, it is quite clear that Sapper Robb is not wearing a Smock... It is clear that he is wearing a (service) shirt tucked into his trousers. The design of the Smock, not disected down the centre, means that he can not be wearing a Smock in that image. He is wearing a Battle Dress Blouse, drapped over his left shoulder, buttoned at the top by the throat, with the left sleeve hanging down his left side, as in the other photo from their left. In the photo, his left arm appears not to be in a sleeve at all.
His right arm, around Sapper Grier's shoulder for support, is clearly protruding from a sleeve, but the cuff is not clear enough to determine wether that is the sleeve of the Battle Dress Blouse, or a Smock. However, from the way the right front of the Blouse hangs, I would deduct that he has his right arm in the sleeve, in the "conventional" way, because otherwise the front of the Blouse would be more crushed up, like the left side.
Now, the photo from their left side, which was obviously the inspiration for this sculpt, shows Sapper's left arm definitely in a sleeve, a large fitting sleeve, and the Battle Dress Blouse drapped over his left shoulder, with the (empty) sleeve hanging down. The photo is of poor quality, and it is not quite clear what is showing just below his arm and the Battle Dress Blouse, but it does look like there is some straight garment there.
I don't know for sure, but seeing as both photos are obviously of both these soldiers, but one was taken when they were standing about, and the other whilst they appear in a marching row of soldiers. Therefore I'm minded to think that the photo from their left, the photo used for this sculpt, was taken shortly after they were taken prisoner, and being processed, and the other photo, from their right, of them marching, was taken when they were taken away, and that Sapper Robb had "lost" the jacket or Smock that his left arm was in, either because an orderly cut it away to attend his wounds, or a German wanted a souvenier.
Anyway, none of this takes away from the kit, I just love to examine old photos, and pick out little oddities. The other photo has cetainly helped me to work out how to paint Sapper Grier, and add some more blood stains to Sapper Robb's face.
I don't know if I can post the picture here, because Alamy has spoiled the photo with their "copy right" markers, although it is bejond me how an 80 year old picture by a German war photographer, can be in copy right of a commercial company today. Still, don't want to get PlanetFigure into trouble... (Kev, if it is ok to show, please let me know)
This photo, throws up a number of issues.
From this angle, it is quite clear that Sapper Robb is not wearing a Smock... It is clear that he is wearing a (service) shirt tucked into his trousers. The design of the Smock, not disected down the centre, means that he can not be wearing a Smock in that image. He is wearing a Battle Dress Blouse, drapped over his left shoulder, buttoned at the top by the throat, with the left sleeve hanging down his left side, as in the other photo from their left. In the photo, his left arm appears not to be in a sleeve at all.
His right arm, around Sapper Grier's shoulder for support, is clearly protruding from a sleeve, but the cuff is not clear enough to determine wether that is the sleeve of the Battle Dress Blouse, or a Smock. However, from the way the right front of the Blouse hangs, I would deduct that he has his right arm in the sleeve, in the "conventional" way, because otherwise the front of the Blouse would be more crushed up, like the left side.
Now, the photo from their left side, which was obviously the inspiration for this sculpt, shows Sapper's left arm definitely in a sleeve, a large fitting sleeve, and the Battle Dress Blouse drapped over his left shoulder, with the (empty) sleeve hanging down. The photo is of poor quality, and it is not quite clear what is showing just below his arm and the Battle Dress Blouse, but it does look like there is some straight garment there.
I don't know for sure, but seeing as both photos are obviously of both these soldiers, but one was taken when they were standing about, and the other whilst they appear in a marching row of soldiers. Therefore I'm minded to think that the photo from their left, the photo used for this sculpt, was taken shortly after they were taken prisoner, and being processed, and the other photo, from their right, of them marching, was taken when they were taken away, and that Sapper Robb had "lost" the jacket or Smock that his left arm was in, either because an orderly cut it away to attend his wounds, or a German wanted a souvenier.
Anyway, none of this takes away from the kit, I just love to examine old photos, and pick out little oddities. The other photo has cetainly helped me to work out how to paint Sapper Grier, and add some more blood stains to Sapper Robb's face.
