British Infantryman 88th Foot, Spain 1810/12 Stormtroopers New Release

[Nap]

Hi everyone

Sold the kidney ...Ye Hah!! ....went to buy ...Sold out this run ...bugger !!!!....msg sent to Stu ...hope he casts more !!!

Great to see this has gone so well

Wonder what the next will be ?

Happy bench-time

Nap

 

[Steve Brodie]

Hi everyone

Sold the kidney ...Ye Hah!! ....went to buy ...Sold out this run ...bugger !!!!....msg sent to Stu ...hope he casts more !!!

Great to see this has gone so well

Wonder what the next will be ?

Happy bench-time

Nap

Quick email to Stuart and confirmation more on the way - Yipppeeee

 

[Nap]

Quick email to Stuart and confirmation more on the way - Yipppeeee

Phew!

Nap

 

[MCPWilk]

Very nice, an accompanying body and limbs would also be nice.

Mike

 

[tock24]

So the 88th of foot are out! Who do we paint him as?? What will you do??!!
Ian

 

[Cannonball]

Managed to grab one of these and it landed this morning-excellent service from Stu. In answer to Ian’s question above I was having a quick look through some reference stuff and was considering the 27th (Enniskillen) or a Kings German Legion Line regiment but a bit of trimming with a sharp blade may bring the 88th back into the equation.....


Neal

 

[NeilW]

Who do we paint him as??

NOTE: the credit for most of the 'heavy lifting' research for this must go to Dibble/Paul Bantick whose contributions to The Minatures Page (the tables are at the very bottom) and Pinterest directed me to the original sources and provided the Pearse list as below)

Looks like there are two issues here (if it is to be the 88th as per the box):

1. was the lacing square or pointed?: the consensus above seems to be that it was pointed but other sources, as below, suggest square
2. was the lace in pairs or single rows: all sources seem to suggest pairs

The bust is unclear but looks like single to me.

So... what regiments had single, squared lace?

Answering this is complicated as the contemporary/primary sources sometimes differ... even within themselves.

I can't find any original Army Regs though the 1811 General Regulations and Orders make interesting reading (eg what games were forbidden, the wording of receipts for oats and hay, the official allocation of sappers' tools and the wood allowance for officers). However, here are three contemporary sources which are cited in various reference works as:


de Bosset 1803 : this shows the original chart plus a tabulation (Fosten MAA 114). The chart isn't good enough to determine the shapes but the 88th's double laces is clear:



Hamilton Smith 1812: again the original then a tabulation (Fosten MAA 119)... and again the shapes for the 88th aren't too clear but I'd go for pointed (seems that different editions of this list also have variations of colour):




Pearse 1803-1819: military tailors- though not all regiments are listed (does their entry for the 88th suggest that they went from square to pointed?)


And this lists says it's based on all of the above to show lace for regiments that served in the American campaign (and shows 88th as pointed pairs as per Pearse's amendment): http://www.warof1812.ca/charts/regts_na.htm

So, yer pays yer money and yer takes yer choice... but if it's single/square (as the bust seems to be) then you could try (according to the Pearses): 7/8/16/38/41/42/44/61/65/66/70/74/77/97

 

[Viking Bob]

I think Stu pointed out it was his typo about being the 88th. He is an infantryman and practically any regiment can be portrayed.

 

[Nap]

I think Stu pointed out it was his typo about being the 88th. He is an infantryman and practically any regiment can be portrayed.

I just look forward to paying Stu for the order when it's cast up as well as seeing others versions of this fine bust ...whichever Regiment

Happy benchtime

Nap

 

[gothicgeek]

Hi all!

Here's where I'm at with this piece... Still some staining and such to do on the hat and the cross belts are just blocked in .
So lace
anyone got and pictures of museum examples of how they look?

 

[Nap]

Hi Mark

Looking great , here's a couple of things you might find useful

One from the lace book 1768 patterns and a link to others https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/regimental-lace-pattern.130950/

The others are from a museum

Sure others will show something

Nap

 

[NeilW]

Fantastic link Nap... and the pics show the fairly basic/low quality of the 'lace' (really just an embroidered twill tape). Also useful that the patterns' backing cloths are in the facing colours.

Interesting that the Ffoulkes 1768 pattern book only has square ended and bastion styles... anyone know if pointed etc were later developments?

There's useful links to them here and for Windsor, here.

... and a useful article on the topic of lace here

Neil

BTW: seeing Mark's painted up version (looking good ) I'm still unclear whether the bust's laces are singly spaced or in pairs (just about pairs?). Looking at the various surviving items (including Naps) it's clear that there was no single (if any) specification and the spacing could vary quite a lot... with in some cases the lace being horizontal and others angled upwards.

 

[NeilW]

That link to the article may not work (and the file is too large to upload).

So, a Google search as below will hopefully find the link to the PdF as:

It seems to be on the site of a French re-enactment organisation: http://www.centotredicesimo.org/

It's also on Scribd here: https://www.scribd.com/document/97175526/Redcoat-2003

ALSO PART 1: https://www.scribd.com/document/76590100/Redcoat-01

Can't find Part 2 (they were in Military Illustrated if anyone has it)

 

[bucsfan21]

Dang, that sure paints up nicely! Can't wait to get mine! Thanks to Stormtroopers for a very colorful and character filled release!

Happy Holidays to You All from Atlanta, Georgia and the Atlanta Military Figure Society Terry Martin

 

[tock24]

Think I owe Stuart and Carl an apology for diverting the original post! My copy arrived yesterday [brilliant service by the way!] and as said, its a really nice bust, regardless of regiment! As an old War of 1812 reenactor I may just skip from Spain to the Niagara frontier to find my inspiration!
BR
Ian

 

[Nap]

Hi Ian

Glad you've got yours safely ...waiting in hope to see that more have been cast and are available

Hope we see your version soon

Happy benchtime

Nap

 

[Wayneb]

Hi Stu,
Super looking piece....Love that 1/6 scale....Great for us ageing geezers. Good to see Carl is still creative and producing quality work. Maybe something a bit different; I know Carl likes American Indians, or something a bit more generic...... Hint, ......Keep up the good work......

Wayne

 

[MalcC]

Lovely Jubbly, want one.

Malc

 

[stu]

Hi Folks

Thank you again, just put a few more up and more coming.

Stuart

 

[Nap]

Hi Folks

Thank you again, just put a few more up and more coming.

Stuart

Thanks Stuart ...just ordered

Nap