Destiny - 120mm Carabinier. Waterloo 1815.

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NRG said:
You did say that this was a Marmite figure and would divide opinion. Well……I for one don’t like it!
We all know that soldiers kill and get killed, but there’s no need to try and model it.
No, this is not a brave attempt to depict the horrors of war, it’s puerile, ghoulish, morbid and is the equivalent of people who take photos on their phones of motorway crashes.
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Nigel,

I hesitated before commenting on your reply, if you had left it at the first line I wouldn’t have bothered,

Whilst you are more than welcome to your own opinion, you don’t get to publicly rubbish my work without response.

I’m not sure if you intended your reply to be ironic? Like being witness to a car crash, you could have just carried on with your days journey and just ignored this thread. In responding and leaving your vitriol you have carried out the social media equivalent of rubber necking yourself.

You say it’s obvious that in war soldiers kill and get killed, and that’s the point. Many don’t realise that outcome, if they did they wouldn’t be so eager to take part.

I think if we are going to model war, it’s our duty to do so as realistically as possible, if nothing else as a warning to the young about it’s brutal reality.

I don’t want to fall out, you have my response and will leave it at that.

Marcus.
 
Hi Everyone

This is as Marcus expected a ‘hot’ subject , not to everyone’s taste but I agree with Marcus wholly in his last comment .

Some might not like it or approve of it but that’s a personal decision and nothing more ......what we all should do is applaud the sculpting skill of Marcus and the fact that this was commission by a respected company so a big pat on the back from me to them

Quite simply ..you don’t have to buy it

I’m off to review and superglue myself to the chair at my bench

Happy sculpting and painting everyone

Nap
 
The model is based upon a real piece of equipment recovered from the battlefield. To add to the responses before I would like to point to the usual reaction at shows by visitors - but at times at this forum likewise - to refrain from more modern soldier themes because of the brutality of war and turn towards the displays of the beautiful and colorful uniforms of times past. Often the car crash back then and what it meant is overlooked. The model gives options to display the very moment when the soldier is hit and a moment later. IMHO a good solution and a difficult sculpting job well executed. I remember another piece by Shep Paine " A whiff of grapeshot" that showed similar effects on French cuirassiers. It is normal to be affected by the piece and the discussion is obviously wanted by the creator. Nevertheless it should not get personal. Cheers Martin
 
Hi all just wanted to say Marcus nice work on the figure very thought provoking. But as people have said it’s a marmite subject you are either going to like it or not. Having read the comments I don’t think any were directed at your sculpting just the subject and at the end of the day people will always have an opinion. Mine is great work but not for me.

We have a standard bearer in our forth coming vignette that has been shot. It’s not has graphic as your piece but again showing the horrors of war. Again people my like it or not. It’s a question of taste on the part of the modeller and what they want from it.

You are never going to please everyone as we know from past experience but this should not over shadow the work you have put in on the sculpt. The people that buy it will be proud to have it in their collection that’s for sure.

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
I'm working on a cuirassier of the Great Northern War and want to add a bit of detail to the figure. As in this figure, I often see fabric at the bottom and arm holes. Does anyone know if cuirasses of the 18th century were lined or was something worn under them and over the uniform? Can't find many photos on the web showing the inside.
 
Highly original and well- modelled! My compliments for the idea and execution.

Gory and touchy subject indeed, but some fantasy figure releases go much further without triggering disapproval.

Cheers
Adrian
 
You did say that this was a Marmite figure and would divide opinion. Well……I for one don’t like it!
We all know that soldiers kill and get killed, but there’s no need to try and model it.
No, this is not a brave attempt to depict the horrors of war, it’s puerile, ghoulish, morbid and is the equivalent of people who take photos on their phones of motorway crashes.
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There are those whose particular modelling taste runs to certain WW II units. I wonder what the response to a model of this would be: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivanhorod_Einsatzgruppen_photograph, which I personally find much more troubling than the death of a serving Carabinier at Waterloo? I agree that those who take photographs at accident sites rather than offering their assistance are a particular form of low life.

Mike
 
Nap said:
Hi Everyone

Quite simply ..you don’t have to buy it

Nap
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No offence Nap but I don't like that sort of comment. I've heard it before along the lines of "if you likes it you buys it" To me this is like saying "if you don't buy it you don't qualify for the right to make a comment". I would buy it but if I didn't I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to say why; as long as I was civil about it of course.
As for the model itself It depicts an event that actually happened and has been thought important or interesting enough to have had the cuirass photos included in many, many books. Are the authors of all those books ghouls because of it - I think not.

David
 
The Riveteer said:
No offence Nap but I don't like that sort of comment. I've heard it before along the lines of "if you likes it you buys it" To me this is like saying "if you don't buy it you don't qualify for the right to make a comment". I would buy it but if I didn't I see no reason why I shouldn't be able to say why; as long as I was civil about it of course.
As for the model itself It depicts an event that actually happened and has been thought important or interesting enough to have had the cuirass photos included in many, many books. Are the authors of all those books ghouls because of it - I think not.

David
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No offence taken , everyone is entitled to their thoughts and views

It’s a clever sculpt for sure

Be good to see a painted version

Nap
 

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