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I've just looked at the latest batch of Pegaso, Young knock offs on offer from some Chinese crook on Ebay. He has a feedback score of 177 interestingly 95% of his customers are Australian with just a couple from the States.
Is this due to the scarcity of Pegaso etc in Australia or something to do with postage costs from Europe for White Metal kits.?

Keith
 
Is this due to the scarcity of Pegaso etc in Australia or something to do with postage costs from Europe for White Metal kits.?

I'd venture a guess that it's the cost. Are the kit prices cheaper, too, than you'd pay if you were buying them in person, so that postage doesn't enter into the calculation? I can imagine that if it's cheaper, most will buy the recast.
 
I'd venture a guess that it's the cost. Are the kit prices cheaper, too, than you'd pay if you were buying them in person, so that postage doesn't enter into the calculation? I can imagine that if it's cheaper, most will buy the recast.
Apparently the recasts are done in resin and offered at a third of the price of an original....plus free shipping.
....And out of Hong Kong!
 
Australian...not necessary. I sold a fig on ebay to an 'Australian' a few years ago. Turned out to be mainland China with an Aussie P.O. box address. The deal ultimately fell through when the payment and shipping requests became too complicated
 
That sucks! But white metal figures here in Australia are very pricey. When I worked at The Military Workshop, our mark up was not that very high due to postage costs.
Too expensive, that's no excuse, try a different hobby or learn to sculpt.
A while ago I had a very heated screaming session with a figure modeller about recasts at a meeting I used to go to , unfortunately his attitude was and I quote "I don't give a F***."
But the worst thing about it was that there was more than one who deals in recasts and most of the other members did not seem to care or had the attitude "you can't stop it, so why bother".

Now I will admit I have recast one 120mm figure (long long out of production) for a friend of mine. There were multiple copies (10 in total), but there was no money exchanged for the job and he has not received any payment either. The mold has since been destroyed. It took my mate about 2 years to talk me into doing it. One of the reasons I eventually said yes was to test myself on my casting ability.
I was expecting the mold to fail, but as it turned out it worked very well and I was able to cast the figure as one piece. Minus the head and hands.
Any way, I hope that the manufactures of the originals kits are hassling eBay to stop people from recasting their kits.
I know every time I come across a modeller that has used recasts, I get stuck into them.

Keith, maybe you should name the people buying the recasts.

Cheers Jason
 
I'm a British ex-pat and I live in China.
Every single pre-painted figure in my collection was bought from a reputable dealer or direct from the manufacturer.
Of the castings and kit figures I have, about 10% were bought from reputable dealers in the States. About 5% bought direct from manufacturers in Spain, and the remaining 85% from reputable dealers in the UK - SK miniatures, El Greco and Historex Agents.
I've no idea what the market for recasts is in China, wouldn't know how to go about obtaining them, and can't imagine myself buying them in any case.
There now, that feels better.
 
Yes please go ahead and name and shame them Keith, so not everyone thinks Australian figure modellers are cheapskates who can't afford or can't be bothered to buy legitimate products from the manufacturers. I for one have never purchased a recast kit, and would never do so. It's stealing.
 
Sorry guys, naming and shaming them is not possible as sellers are protected by an Ebay Avatar of some sort so names and addresses are not accessible. From what Jason says the attitude seems to be quite ambivolent towards Recasters so I am not sure it would have any effect. I think that as technology advances we are going to see more and more of this type of thing, it also seems pretty rife in the book trade.
 
I think EBay will do the bare minimum regarding this as they are making money themselves from it. They'll make the right noises and that's it
 
Sorry Carl but every society has the right to decide how your money is spent.There are restrictions on weapons,glue,knives,alcohol etc.These are enforced by the state using laws.What these people are doing is against the law and should be stopped.At present in Britain we are seeing the affect of "greed "morality in banking.Most of us still have a morality that judges these thieves for what they are.
 
I've never come across any of these counterfeiters on e-bay.How did you come across the Chinese site Keith.
Brian
 
I think people will always buy these things if they are available, look at knock off clothing etc at local markets some people are just clueless that they are fake or just don't care, if they get a bargin. I think to be fair to the Australian Buyers maybe the alarm bells don't go off as China is so much closer to them than say a buyer from United Kingdom maybe they just think they are distributors for their area.

I have been caught out by one before mainly because i was so shocked to see a figure that was out of production for such a cheap price and was blinded by the money. To be fare the kit wasn't that bad but i knew as soon as it turned up that it was a knock off. Tried to send it back and get my money back but nothing came from resolution centre but paypal did give me my money back.

Where do you guys stand on recast's of OOP kits where the original company has ceased trading would you buy as it would be hard to get it legitimately ?

cheers

Simon
 
Would somebody care to enlighten me as to the differences between what consensus would agree as an original cast and a re-cast? I am genuinely intrigued by this increasingly animated discussion...
 
I'm not sure about Historex being reputable Harry :LOL: not in a good way anyway ;)
:D....:LOL:
Thanks for the laugh. Some of their prices are shocking, but I've never had anything but good service from Historex. Having said that, the vast majority of my stuff is ordered from El Greco these days. It's been 100% this year so far apart from a couple of orders direct from Nocturna/Historic Art and Morland Studio's.
It's because El Greco always go the extra mile to ensure I get hard to find, or out of production items, and they try to minimise the postal charges as much as they can.
 
Would somebody care to enlighten me as to the differences between what consensus would agree as an original cast and a re-cast? I am genuinely intrigued by this increasingly animated discussion...
Very low price, no box and a figure that was originally in white metal being sold in resin.
The old adige, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't.
Carl.(y)
 
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