Ebay Recasts

[Mirofsoft]

First I don't know what OOP means
Second in 40 years time I never came across a proposal for a recast
BUT
1972 Employe in is first job is paid 400€ Neto A 75mm Hinchliffe is at 6€
2012 Employe in is first job is paid 1600€ Neto A 75mm Scale75 is at 48€
Meaning 4x more Meaning 8x more
A Sanderson was at 3€ today even a 54mm resin is at 18€ and a metall between 22 and 30€ between 6 and 10x more
but there are some coherent prices nowadays likes Poste Militaire 90mm was at 10€ today 48€ at Bonaparte; this seems normal
So what is a fair price, it seems that prices for some companies have increase far more than what we call normal .
If you look at the prices in 25mm and 30mm it's amazing
BUT once again look at the price from Tradition or New Hope who are on the market since at least those 40 years and price increase stays in the fork of salaris increases .
Today the choice of manufacturers is awesome, I guess the size of the available market stays the same, I think they have no other choice than to sell at high price and product stays a smaller period on catalog .
This give perhaps opportunities to pirates, no bandits, no thief ... to make money by recasting . Don' buy from them it's simple : stay right in your boots . Plus : what confidence can you have with those recaster ? .. they are bandit and you will give them your money, your adress , your Bankcard N°, your ref., your list of friends on facecrook or via twister !!!!!!!!
Old or not , out of stock , out of production ... You still want 1 piece just set a request perhaps even here somebody is ready to make an exchange or help you .
Ban the recast
Best

 

[Tecumsea]

Hi Brian, in response to your enquiry, like many others I trawl Ebay for older, obsolete kits, that I missed during my absence from the hobby, and the Recasters are quite easy to spot. (See above post) I have quite a list of them but Gordy is against posting the list and I respect his wishes. I did on a previous post offer to mail the list to interested parties, however I had a couple of responses and was not sure about their motives so I didn't respond and deleted that text from my post later. I am happy to share the list but only with people I know, so that rules you out Brian

 

[Tecumsea]

Simon/Michel. OOP or "out of production" is an interesting aside to this blog. Steve Kirtley at S&K Miniatures is just Re-releasing the Ft Duquesne Samurai Range, proving that even though these have been out of production for some years, and keenly sought after by modellers, they are not Obsolete. Someone still owns the moulds and the copyright! The point I am trying to make is that the disappearance of an item from the market does not give free licence to recasters

 

[Jeff]

I am a really small manufacturer. Our little company does not have many issues with re-casters as we do not make mounted figures, and do not make WWII Germans which seem to be the area that is huge with most pirates. I have noticed that from selling on e-Bay that a lot of buyers seem to have Australian e-bay location address, and Chinese shipping address. It always seems odd and more then a little shifty. Anyone know what is up with that? I really do not like shipping in to China because of the rampant piracy issues. I have an e-Bay account that I use to sell mostly old kits, but also our current kits no place gets as much traffic as they do. So you have got to take the good with the bad. I am not sure how I will feel if we do start to get re-cast. I am sure it will be a mixture of being mad, and well it looks like we made a figure with some universal popularity.

 

[Redcap]

That's an admirable way of looking at the problem Gary, but I can't see your average recaster seeing things the same way. If you feel you can purchase an oop kit reproduction without any concern that's great for you but you're still encouraging and financing a recaster who may not share the same ideals about restricting their activities to oop kits.......in other words it may be a satifactory transaction to you but it's further encouragement and motivation for a recaster to broaden their horizons.....I'd simply suggest that you either jump in and buy the lot or nothing at all. I'd lean towards nothing at all. ***************





Mark, You make some pretty sweeping assumptions here about me. Firstly let me clarify one thing for you and the readership. I DO NOT personally buy recasts as I don't need to being in the fortunate financial position to fully indulge myself in the hobby and buy whatever figure(s) I like. Were however I to want one day to paint a figure that is no longer available commercially, I would have no problem with asking someone who did have one (an original) in their grey army to do me a home cast copy for my own personal use. If I cannot buy it readily and hand over my money to whoever owns the "property rights", how is that depriving him / her of my money if there is no one to whom I can make payment because no one has one to sell me? I would also politely suggest that what people may say in respect of a like scenario and then actually DO themselves, may well be two entirely different things!

Moving on, I would also imagine that no one buys a reacast by choice and rather I suspect, it's simply a case of someone buying a poor copy figure because they cannot afford to buy the far superior product of an original casting; just like someone buys for example a fake 'Rolex' watch. So, if someone (let's call the hypothetical buyer "Bob") was NEVER in a position to buy a figure from, say, "XYZ MODELS" then that company would never have had his money anyway. So, if "Bob" buys a recast "XYZ MODELS" figure, then how has that impacted upon their profit? Either way they were NEVER going to get "Bob's" money! So, I rather suspect that like the local chav who would never in a million years be in a position to buy himself a genuine £5K "Rolex" watch, his purchase of a £20.00 fake watch whilst on holiday in Thailand has zero (actual) impact on the "Rolex" company balance sheet -i.e they would NEVER have got his money anyway because the original was never a viable purchase option.

Perhaps Mark the recasters are not selling quite as many copies or having such a negative financial impact upon the companies as we sometimes like to imagine; especially given the somewhat limited (and declining) number of us in the hobby as a customer base? The inactivity of many of the major companies to make concerted efforts to report these people tends to support this theory or they may have been more vocal and proactive on the issue. On a final note and to confirm with you, I am NOT defending the people who knock these things out - they don't get any of my money so my conscience is clear - but I can understand in these harsh economic times why some people feel it's their only option if they wish to pursue and make the hobby (for them) affordable.

Cheers Mark

Gary

 

[Tecumsea]

Interesting Mark that you are able to refute my suggestion that the recaster in question has 95% Australian customers (I did notice 2 from the US but didn't mention it as the rest were overwhelmingly Australian. I admire your skills at Clairvoyancy as I didn't actually name the Recaster in question as Planets policy is not to do so.

 

[Tecumsea]

Edward, 2-3 years ago I bought the Kirin D.Hanson German Officer from a company in Hong Kong. It was reasonably priced, not excessively cheap and arrived shrink wrapped and in a Kirin Box. That same company is still selling these.
To this day I don't know if they are Recasts or if this company actually hold the licence to produce these, or bought residual stocks of Kirin products. Doesn't this highlight the dilemma!?

 

[Mark S]

Interesting Mark that you are able to refute my suggestion that the recaster in question has 95% Australian customers (I did notice 2 from the US but didn't mention it as the rest were overwhelmingly Australian. I admire your skills at Clairvoyancy as I didn't actually name the Recaster in question as Planets policy is not to do so.

Hi Keith, if you don't provide any evidence for your claim then I can only guess and use my admirable skills of clairvoyancy to try to investigate them.
If you are as you say aware of the Planet forum policy of not naming offending re-casters you would have been aware that you were unable to show any evidence of your claim when you made it.
All I'm saying is that if you know you can't provide any evidence for such a claim then perhaps it might be a good idea if that claim wasn't made at all.
I'm quite prepared to accept that you are perfectly correct and 95% of Australians are supporting a Chinese re-caster. I don't really give a rat's patootie if they are, but I do care that any claim at all can be made here without any expectation that evidence of it needs to be provided.
I could simply claim that 95% of modellers from Tierra del Fuego use a glue made from boiled down dolphin babies and without any evidence of such a claim it just remains a disparaging remark.
So I'd really appreciate it if you could simply send me a private message with the details so I can have a captain cook for myself and I'll be glad to come back here and confirm to all that your initial claim is indeed correct if that is the case.
Looking forward to your PM

Cheers...Mark S.
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[Edward]

Edward, 2-3 years ago I bought the Kirin D.Hanson German Officer from a company in Hong Kong. It was reasonably priced, not excessively cheap and arrived shrink wrapped and in a Kirin Box. That same company is still selling these.
To this day I don't know if they are Recasts or if this company actually hold the licence to produce these, or bought residual stocks of Kirin products. Doesn't this highlight the dilemma!?

If it was in a Kirin box maybe it's an original? From seeing Kirin recasts offered on ebay they usually state that they don't have the Kirin box or the black plastic plinth that came with Kirin kits.

 

[tonydawe]

I got baby dolphin glue in my rat's patootie. What do I do now???

 

[Mark S]

I got baby dolphin glue in my rat's patootie. What do I do now???

Sounds like you've got yourself in a real bind there, Tony.
You obviously didn't read the warning on the bottle which clearly states-
Warning : this glue contains baby dolphins, avoid contact with patooties of any kind but especially numbats and all species of rodent.
I'm afraid the only solvent which will unstick whatever it is you've adhered to your rats patottie is only available in Tierra del Fuego. It's made from spit roasted baby Pandas.

 

[Pops]

Right then. So, in order to ensure one doesn't buy a recast, where are you chaps getting your Young's busts from then? Who out there is a reliable source and is not charging a gonad (or two ) for the privilege of obtaining a kit?

 

[Mark S]

I'm sorry I can help you there, for me I'm more than happy if I can get hold of old busts these days.

 

[Pops]

I'm sorry I can help you there, for me I'm more than happy if I can get hold of old busts these days.

Me too, but then the missus just tells me to leave her alone!

 

[Mark S]

Right then. So, in order to ensure one doesn't buy a recast, where are you chaps getting your Young's busts from then? Who out there is a reliable source and is not charging a gonad (or two ) for the privilege of obtaining a kit?

Seriously though Pops, Young's busts, because they are so popular, are available through many, many retailers such as SK miniatures, El Greco miniatures and Colorado miniatures, but they are just a few of the many outlets for Young's kits.
I'm sure others will suggest even more of the many retailers stocking Young's products.
Some charge less gonads than others, but in my opinion every gonad is worth it for Young's stuff.