Flag & Battle Honors for Inkerman, 1856

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A good friend of mine from Texas called me and ask if I would pose this question to the members of the forum. Dennis needs to know:

Correct colors of the flag carried at Inkerman, Crimea in 1856. Also the Battle honors associated with the flag. Dennis is doing a vignette in 120mm and needs the correct colors for painting.

Any photos would be appreciated.
 
The only British colours carried at Inkerman were those of the 3rd Battalion Grenadier Guards, valiantly defended (our side always 'valiantly" defended) during the retreat from the sandbag battery. The action is described in the Men-At-Arms volume on the Grenadier Guards, among other places. Unfortunately, it doesn't show the colours, but they are also available elsewhere. Another Osprey book, British colours and standards, gives a good overview.
Is your friend making up the 120mm figure by Lost Battalion? If so, he is right to scrap the included flag, it would be 21/2" thick in real life. Also, the flag is of the wrong size and proportions; the original was 6' on the pike and 61/2' flying. The crown is the wrong shape, it should be guelphic; the "VR" reversed monograms are poorly done and noticeably different on the two sides, and the battle honors are an act of the imagination; there are 14 and the Grenadiers only had eight, even when the three from the Crimea were added. On the Royal (not "Queen's until 1881, think) Colour, the honours were Lincelles, Barrosa, Corunna, Peninsula and Waterloo.
Finally, good news. There was a typical heavy fog that day and the colours would have been soaked. They were carried half furled, so that will help your friend and me, for as you may have guessed :)D) I have the same kit. I have ordered a nice old War Museum book on the Grenadier's colours from England, and if I get any more inspiration from that, I'll let you know.
Edit: I just sw the heading of this thread. Of the three recent figures of a Grenadier Guard at Inkerman, only the L.B. kit gets the date right. It was 1854!
 
Are these correct Phil?

Roger.
 

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Wow, Roger, how cool are these? Better than any verbal description. What is your source, please, so that I can sneak off and get a copy.
I am curious abut the royal colour (changed to "queen's" in 1892, not 1881 as I guessed above) of the 3rd battalion on our right. It carries the "jaundiced tongue" or "bar wavy" of the major's colours carried by the 3rd battalion, but why is it missing the red saltire, since it was obviously made after 1815 and the saltire was introduced in 1801?
The second colour (the naming of first and second colours in the guards seems to be the opposite of the line regiments. Does anyone have something definite on that? Queen's Regulations of 1855 don't help.) bears the fleur de lise of the third Company, and I would have thought that that would have put it in the first battalion, but what do I know?
At any rate, these are great. Now all I have to do is make the appropriate decals to stick on a half-furled epoxy flag, and then, no doubt, my book will arrive from England.
 
That was quick! Thanks again. I am impressed by the fact that these are recreations. That explains the missing saltire as an oversight and the use of the lion-on-crown finials, which did not appear until 1858 when the Crimean honours had been awarded, rather than the old, correct, spear-point finial.
 
Oh, dear, the egg on my face is running down my neck. I thought that the majpr's colour shown above was so pretty that I didn't notice some of its problems until today when i started making my own. So far as I can tell, the artist based his flag on illustrations and descriptions of guards' colours in the Osprey book but got the regiments mixed up. I mentioned a couple of problems already, but here are all four in one place.
The finial should be a spear head at this date.
The Union Jack should be the modern version used since 1801
The battle honour Talavera belongs to the Scots Guards. Replace it with Corunna
The honours should be printed in black on a very slightly curved yellow scroll, not yellow on red.
And there you go. Again, my apologies for not having caught this at the time.
 

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