Flesh tone experiment with Young's latest
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amcairns
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Michael,
Despite your bust being a little on the pink side he,s coming along nicely.Personally I would start painting the eyes first as this is your link with the rest of the bust and set its "tone".
The 5o,clock shadow is done well .Look forward to more progress.
Andy
Despite your bust being a little on the pink side he,s coming along nicely.Personally I would start painting the eyes first as this is your link with the rest of the bust and set its "tone".
The 5o,clock shadow is done well .Look forward to more progress.
Andy
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I think its looking good, much better than I can achieve these days for sure. When I saw the red nose, I immediately thought "this guy must be cold". Keep up the good work.
As far as having candid opinions, I for one welcome them. Too often it seems every figure thats presented, whether its a review or someones work, is met with a chorus of "well done" or "awesome sculpt", and I am shaking my head thinking some 'candid' commentary would be useful. But, I refrain, knowing that too many folks feel that its bad form to criticize someones work in a public forum, so I take the "if you have nothing to nice to say" route and stay quiet.
As far as having candid opinions, I for one welcome them. Too often it seems every figure thats presented, whether its a review or someones work, is met with a chorus of "well done" or "awesome sculpt", and I am shaking my head thinking some 'candid' commentary would be useful. But, I refrain, knowing that too many folks feel that its bad form to criticize someones work in a public forum, so I take the "if you have nothing to nice to say" route and stay quiet.
Einion
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Michael, I'm liking how it looks with the revisions based on the comments so far. The redness of the nose isn't overdone and the shaving shadow looks good; I'm not sure if this is a test piece only but if it's for a finished piece I would even this up a bit though - bit patchy.
I do think you could do with keeping an eye on the pinkness in your fleshtones, although this is obviously intended to be a cold subject so normal standards wouldn't necessarily apply it's very easy to get too pink* - and too uniformly pink - in skintones. Look at your photos for example and compare your own skin with the painted skin, see the difference in hue? The skin on the hands is often noticeably more pink than parts of the face so this is a good guide to just how pink the face actually is.
*Caucasian skin is basically 'pink' normally, but orange/scarlet in hue and not red/rose except where flushed.
It does posters a disservice to just pat them on the back and provide nothing in the way of actual input if/when we do spot something. Obviously if they ask for it things are different but a few members clearly don't want critical input of any kind, just want kudos (personally I think those members should be frank and just say straight out, "Praise only please"!), and it can be hard to know ahead of time how something will be taken because of this, which puts lots of people off even trying.
Einion
I do think you could do with keeping an eye on the pinkness in your fleshtones, although this is obviously intended to be a cold subject so normal standards wouldn't necessarily apply it's very easy to get too pink* - and too uniformly pink - in skintones. Look at your photos for example and compare your own skin with the painted skin, see the difference in hue? The skin on the hands is often noticeably more pink than parts of the face so this is a good guide to just how pink the face actually is.
*Caucasian skin is basically 'pink' normally, but orange/scarlet in hue and not red/rose except where flushed.
Absolutely
FWIW I think it's bad form not to provide critique
It does posters a disservice to just pat them on the back and provide nothing in the way of actual input if/when we do spot something. Obviously if they ask for it things are different but a few members clearly don't want critical input of any kind, just want kudos (personally I think those members should be frank and just say straight out, "Praise only please"!), and it can be hard to know ahead of time how something will be taken because of this, which puts lots of people off even trying.
Einion
Michael Tse
A Fixture
Andy, thanks but I am afraid I have to deal with this Prussian Blue issue before moving to my favourite part, the eyes. Pls bear with me
Michael Tse
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Hi,
Sorry I dont know how to call you. It appears we are the closest in thoughts regarding this and thanks a bunch for saying what I really think, since I have run out of "rights" to say such things because of my past manners.
Much appreciated!
Michael Tse
A Fixture
Einion[/QUOTE]
Hi Einion,
How flattered I am to have your attention and patient guidance! I shall take this chance to point out that I am a big fan. Massive, actually.
I am not very bright and it will take some time for me to digest your tips. I shall employ them rigorously for the next paint job.
Patience with oneself as I learnt in the past 36 hours is all one can hang onto sometimes. I took the advice of Carl and Mike to involve Prussian Blue for added depth, and messed up. And I said to myself and flatmates: this is no excuse to stop. If Blue plays so critical a role in face painting, I have no choice but to overcome it. So there goes the hours. And the updated two pics, which I am not entirely happy with, but hey, there is some blue among those impossibly thick paints. I was brave for once.
So thank you Carl and Mike!
Hi Einion,
How flattered I am to have your attention and patient guidance! I shall take this chance to point out that I am a big fan. Massive, actually.
I am not very bright and it will take some time for me to digest your tips. I shall employ them rigorously for the next paint job.
Patience with oneself as I learnt in the past 36 hours is all one can hang onto sometimes. I took the advice of Carl and Mike to involve Prussian Blue for added depth, and messed up. And I said to myself and flatmates: this is no excuse to stop. If Blue plays so critical a role in face painting, I have no choice but to overcome it. So there goes the hours. And the updated two pics, which I am not entirely happy with, but hey, there is some blue among those impossibly thick paints. I was brave for once.
So thank you Carl and Mike!
I think that is heading in the right direction Michael. I would add a bit of red to the cheeks and the nose.
Carl.
Carl.
Einion
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Thanks Michael.
It's very easy to overwhelm a light mixture (particularly very small quantities as we are generally dealing with) by adding a dark colour to it, if it's the type that can/will have a huge influence on the colour like dark blue into a light tint of scarlet.
Along the same lines, John Howard Sanden and a few other portrait painters use Cerulean Blue for their basic fleshtone neutraliser (just for the starting mixtures) and this is both lighter in value and lower in tinting strength so it's much easier to control.
Einion
You can also use black... and this has a much longer history as a component of fleshtones than the use of blue. It wouldn't necessarily be added straight in though, these days it would generally be mixed to a grey beforehand... which is a good pointer to how one might best use any dark blue in a fleshtone mix - tint it first!
It's very easy to overwhelm a light mixture (particularly very small quantities as we are generally dealing with) by adding a dark colour to it, if it's the type that can/will have a huge influence on the colour like dark blue into a light tint of scarlet.
Along the same lines, John Howard Sanden and a few other portrait painters use Cerulean Blue for their basic fleshtone neutraliser (just for the starting mixtures) and this is both lighter in value and lower in tinting strength so it's much easier to control.
Einion
Michael Tse
A Fixture
starting mixtures) and this is both lighter in value and lower in tinting strength so it's much easier to control.
Einion[/QUOTE]
Thanks again, Einion! You are being very generous with expertise and insights and I really appreciate it.
Michael
Einion[/QUOTE]
Thanks again, Einion! You are being very generous with expertise and insights and I really appreciate it.
Michael
