Colin_Fraser
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When the main character is named "wardaddy" my hopes are sunk before buying a ticket.
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How Very Dare you! Popcorn movie?! Come along Leonard.
Ultimately we all have our opinions - A Bridge Too Far is one of my favourites for many reasons - as for the Leopard - at the time it was a tough find for any German armour that was rolling even any converted T34's - at least they dressed up the turret to look like a Panther - not like The Battle of the Bulge or even Ice Cold in Alex (US Half Track dressed as a German), And it appears that the Tiger tank is the scourge of all the allies when we all know it was the venerable Stug that was the main weapon on tracks that the Axis used.
The thing about A Bridge Too Far is that you will rarely have a film like that made again...same goes for Battle of Britain, Zulu, Lawrence of Arabia, Longest Day and many more.
The detail I'd like to have seen in A Bridge Too Far was the fact that bodies on both sides of the bridge piled up and they had to call a ceasefire to remove the dead. But in 1977 such scenes would have been given an X certificate.
Ultimately we all have our opinions - A Bridge Too Far is one of my favourites for many reasons - as for the Leopard - at the time it was a tough find for any German armour that was rolling even any converted T34's - at least they dressed up the turret to look like a Panther - not like The Battle of the Bulge or even Ice Cold in Alex (US Half Track dressed as a German), And it appears that the Tiger tank is the scourge of all the allies when we all know it was the venerable Stug that was the main weapon on tracks that the Axis used.
The thing about A Bridge Too Far is that you will rarely have a film like that made again...same goes for Battle of Britain, Zulu, Lawrence of Arabia, Longest Day and many more.
The detail I'd like to have seen in A Bridge Too Far was the fact that bodies on both sides of the bridge piled up and they had to call a ceasefire to remove the dead. But in 1977 such scenes would have been given an X certificate.
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Don't be silly no love fest at all - chatting about movies in general now - we all have our likes and dislikes - that is what chatting in a forum is all about.
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For accuracy give me Valkyrie....but admittedly there were not a lot of tanks.
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I just realised you meant Fury and you didn't like it....thought you meant A Bridge Too Far!
I can empathise about Fury - as I said it was a good war movie just not great as many are saying. As has been mentioned it's in the vein as Saving Private Ryan.
I just realised you meant Fury and you didn't like it....thought you meant A Bridge Too Far!
I can empathise about Fury - as I said it was a good war movie just not great as many are saying. As has been mentioned it's in the vein as Saving Private Ryan.
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Ah...well...seeeee I would be against that....where and when will you ever get such an ensemble cast like that again? Who could play Van deLeur, Urquart, Browning, Johnny Frost and all the rest? Ok no Leopards I agree but I don't really mind at least it was dressed up as a Panther - and Richard Attenborough's directing was very sympathetic to the battle - only thing I would change is that the blame was put on Browning in the film when it was really Montgomery that deserved the blame for sacrificing so many men.
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I don't think you could get such a great cast these days - same as Longest Day you'll never get a film again with so many huge Hollywood stars. ABTF - would not have been so good without such a cast.
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I only discovered a few years back my dad had made the cannons used on the Charge of the Light Brigade film (apologies in advance for any innacurracies) when he did some film and tv effects work after leaving art college in the late 1960s. He gave me the little penguin book the props designer leant him during the job - The Destruction of Lord Raglan - and it's now a treasured possession with a very personal if tenuous connection to that film.
Apparently the charge of the heavy brigade at Balaclava was also filmed but never used in the film - it would have been great to see that.
Also the director is supposed to have wanted the footguards to wear blue tunics! He must have had a real problem with the brit uniforms. But the historical advisor threatened to resign so we were saved from one gaff too far.
Sorry for being a bit off topic.
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Yep that gets me every time - that and the North African battle scenes in Patton with the Germans driving US M60 tanks with no attempt to turn them into anything else. Both spoil great movies (a little).
Fury looks good though and I'd like to see it - seems to have great atmosphere for the subject.
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Mat
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Fury is worth seeing.
Those Light Brigade Cannons would be a great find - if only they kept props - most likely trashed but wow! Worth a bit nowadays.
Fury is worth seeing.
Those Light Brigade Cannons would be a great find - if only they kept props - most likely trashed but wow! Worth a bit nowadays.
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When I was a young tanker we called our platoon sergeant 'War Daddy'. This man fought in VN with the 11th ACR (Armored Cavalry Regiment), and several years later as Regimental Sergeant Major took the 3rd ACR to 'Desert Storm'. I recall hearing the name war daddy used once in the movie. It was about when they were about to move out on a mission and the march order was given. War daddy was Sergeant Collier's (Brad Pitt), radio call sign.
One must keep in mind that after all this is a Hollywood production, even with that in mind there was a scene that I felt they could of done without. I won't say which scene, you will know when you see it. The final scene was a bit far fetched. However, it darn near seems to be based on an actual incident outlined by Belton Cooper, in his book 'Death Traps, The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II'.
All in all I enjoyed the movie, go see it.
Joe
One must keep in mind that after all this is a Hollywood production, even with that in mind there was a scene that I felt they could of done without. I won't say which scene, you will know when you see it. The final scene was a bit far fetched. However, it darn near seems to be based on an actual incident outlined by Belton Cooper, in his book 'Death Traps, The Survival of an American Armored Division in World War II'.
All in all I enjoyed the movie, go see it.
Joe
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I'm looking forward to Fury... Any war movie suits me fine, just to get away from the comicbook superheros.
My only beef with the genre in general besides obvious inaccuracies (there's probably not many Tiger or Panzers kicking around in surplus yards, but with todays technology you'd think they could build a replica) is the Hollywood tendency to only depict American troops on screen. Apparantly there were NO British or Canadian troops involved in the Normandy campaign. As in Band of Brothers, the only time you saw Commonwealth troops were when the Yanks were bailing out trapped Brit paras... mind they did credit Canadian Engineers for supplying the dingies. Enemy at the Gates was a pleasant departure from the usual Ameri-centric war movie, if a little fantastic as well.
Probably one of the best "looking" war movies I've seen is one I don't know the title of
It was German made, German language (with subtitles) made from the point of view of a common German soldier on the Eastern Front. Very graphic, and didn't pull any punches regarding the Slav-Teutonic hatred and the horrors of war on that front. I wish I knew what it was called... I saw it on TV at like 3am a few years back. Anyone have any ideas? Martin maybe?
Anyhow, I look forward to seeing Fury.
And in no way was I taking shots at my Yank neighbours... just Hollywood
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Colin
My only beef with the genre in general besides obvious inaccuracies (there's probably not many Tiger or Panzers kicking around in surplus yards, but with todays technology you'd think they could build a replica) is the Hollywood tendency to only depict American troops on screen. Apparantly there were NO British or Canadian troops involved in the Normandy campaign. As in Band of Brothers, the only time you saw Commonwealth troops were when the Yanks were bailing out trapped Brit paras... mind they did credit Canadian Engineers for supplying the dingies. Enemy at the Gates was a pleasant departure from the usual Ameri-centric war movie, if a little fantastic as well.
Probably one of the best "looking" war movies I've seen is one I don't know the title of
It was German made, German language (with subtitles) made from the point of view of a common German soldier on the Eastern Front. Very graphic, and didn't pull any punches regarding the Slav-Teutonic hatred and the horrors of war on that front. I wish I knew what it was called... I saw it on TV at like 3am a few years back. Anyone have any ideas? Martin maybe?Anyhow, I look forward to seeing Fury.
And in no way was I taking shots at my Yank neighbours... just Hollywood
Cheers
Colin
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Hi Adrian - Yes they would be good to find but unfortunately never in my dads possesion and way before my time too so I never saw them. So not worth searching the loft!
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Mat
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I liked Fury and if you have an inkling to war movies you'll enjoy it probably.
As for all American Hero stuff - well the all powerful dollar fuels the making of movies - thats why we see US hero's - if a film was to be made say like Ice Cold in Alex, Tobrok and others it would either need a US actor playing a major role or changing the whole thing and have America winning the war so the US audiences would spend money and see it. If Fury had been made with Brit tankers it would die a death in the US - thats not quite fair - but it would not have got such a large audience as a US Hero film will get. If Dam Busters get's remade it will be interesting to see how the Americans are shoehorned in somehow.
There was a Battle of Britain film mooted a few years back with the only US pilot that was in the battle to be played by Tom Cruise - the pilot never shot an enemy pilot down - suffice to say that the Cruise character was going to win the battle for Britain....I think there was too much derision for Cruise to follow it up.
Thats probably why A Bridge Too Far remains one of my favorite War movies as we see all sides - Brt, American and German. ame goes for Battle of Britain - I would love a film on the SAS in NOrth Africa - I know Michael Caine kind of did one in Play Dirty (Nigel Green played a mix of Mayne and Stirling), but I think there is a film there...alas we have had to SAS films in the past two years that flopped big time - low budget tosh movies. I know we all know some other stories that would make good movies but unless America can be shoehorned in then it won't get made. I'd also like a good Foreign Legion Movie.
I liked Fury and if you have an inkling to war movies you'll enjoy it probably.
As for all American Hero stuff - well the all powerful dollar fuels the making of movies - thats why we see US hero's - if a film was to be made say like Ice Cold in Alex, Tobrok and others it would either need a US actor playing a major role or changing the whole thing and have America winning the war so the US audiences would spend money and see it. If Fury had been made with Brit tankers it would die a death in the US - thats not quite fair - but it would not have got such a large audience as a US Hero film will get. If Dam Busters get's remade it will be interesting to see how the Americans are shoehorned in somehow.
There was a Battle of Britain film mooted a few years back with the only US pilot that was in the battle to be played by Tom Cruise - the pilot never shot an enemy pilot down - suffice to say that the Cruise character was going to win the battle for Britain....I think there was too much derision for Cruise to follow it up.
Thats probably why A Bridge Too Far remains one of my favorite War movies as we see all sides - Brt, American and German. ame goes for Battle of Britain - I would love a film on the SAS in NOrth Africa - I know Michael Caine kind of did one in Play Dirty (Nigel Green played a mix of Mayne and Stirling), but I think there is a film there...alas we have had to SAS films in the past two years that flopped big time - low budget tosh movies. I know we all know some other stories that would make good movies but unless America can be shoehorned in then it won't get made. I'd also like a good Foreign Legion Movie.
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I'm looking forward to Fury... Any war movie suits me fine, just to get away from the comicbook superheros.
My only beef with the genre in general besides obvious inaccuracies (there's probably not many Tiger or Panzers kicking around in surplus yards, but with todays technology you'd think they could build a replica) is the Hollywood tendency to only depict American troops on screen. Apparantly there were NO British or Canadian troops involved in the Normandy campaign. As in Band of Brothers, the only time you saw Commonwealth troops were when the Yanks were bailing out trapped Brit paras... mind they did credit Canadian Engineers for supplying the dingies. Enemy at the Gates was a pleasant departure from the usual Ameri-centric war movie, if a little fantastic as well.
Probably one of the best "looking" war movies I've seen is one I don't know the title of
Anyhow, I look forward to seeing Fury.
And in no way was I taking shots at my Yank neighbours... just Hollywood
Cheers
Colin
Hi Colin,
bearing in mind that the thread is about "Fury" I will be brief about the other movies. I think that Band of Brothers (and the Pacific) focussed on US troops because the action was based upon memories of US veterans beside targeting commercial success. Too many nations involved in a plot might confuse the audience
. - When I discussed "Pvt Ryan" with an US comrade in a mission abroad I had (seriously) to explain that the (bad) guys with the camo-dots on their uniforms were Germans and that Germans and Americans weren`t Allies at that time! Afterwards I earned in his eyes the attribute of "a f...ing expert about WW II".About the German made film I can just make a good guess (because I am personally still waiting for such a film portraying experiences of common German soldiers). One of the recent German releases (March 2013) was "Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter" (= Our mothers, our fathers) that described the experiences of five fictional friends during WW II - mainly at the Eastern front. Uniforms, general look of the actors and details were meticously researched and gave a realistic feeling throughout this three part-movie.
It stirred some feelings up - especially in neighbouring Poland because it portrayed members of the Polish resistance as anti-semits. I have some other reservations about the plot but that would lead away from "Fury" - so I don`t want to be a spoiler.
Have fun at the movies!Cheers, Martin
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If I can add in - Band of Brothers was based on the best selling book as well - it was primarily the experiences of that particular airborne unit.
Pacific was similar in that it was one unit in the Pacific Theatre.
Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg were on a roll with Ryan so produced these two series.
However there are plenty of books and stories about Brit, German, Candian and other nations that deserve to be filmed.
Pacific was similar in that it was one unit in the Pacific Theatre.
Tom Hanks and Steven Spielberg were on a roll with Ryan so produced these two series.
However there are plenty of books and stories about Brit, German, Candian and other nations that deserve to be filmed.
Hi Martin,
Yeah, that was an excellent three part movie. It was broadcast over here in the UK under the title 'Generation War'.
Cheers,
Jon.
