Adrian Cowdry
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Ah....somebody has loaned me this dvd and with great recommendation.
Fury - no spoilers
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Martin64
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Hi Jon,
good to know the international title of this film.
While this is not my view on the film the comment gives IMHO a fair summary of the plot and about the international response:
http://www.westernspring.co.uk/unsere-mutter-unsere-vater/
Cheers, Martin
ChaosCossack
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Thanx Martin.
That's not the movie I was thinking of... the one I saw was probably done in the mid to late 90's as I saw it about ten years ago. If memory serves, it seemed to follow the line of a book I read 2 or 3 years ago called "Soldiers"... a group of German infantry on campaign in Russia from invasion through retreat and the evacuation by sea from East Prussia.
I'll find it one day. I'll also check out the movie you mentioned
Colin
That's not the movie I was thinking of... the one I saw was probably done in the mid to late 90's as I saw it about ten years ago. If memory serves, it seemed to follow the line of a book I read 2 or 3 years ago called "Soldiers"... a group of German infantry on campaign in Russia from invasion through retreat and the evacuation by sea from East Prussia.
I'll find it one day. I'll also check out the movie you mentioned
Colin
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Fury was a good war film but didn't really satisfy me enough. A bridge to Far, Saving Private Ryan, Battle of Britain, The Train, The Man Who Never Was, and Zulu were my favourite war films to date. In the case of Saving Private Ryan, where Russian T-34s are used as Tiger Tanks they are still realistic and are actually just as good as the real thing.
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Mike S.
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Fury was a waste of time in my opinion. Just lousy.
BTW, Das Boot is my pick for best WWII movie.
BTW, Das Boot is my pick for best WWII movie.
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We are all entitled to our opinions - from my point of view Fury was good - but I think the days of great war movies is over - or certainly great movies based on World War 2 - Battle of Britain could never be made today unless it was with CGI for the aircraft, Fury was good (IMO) but it could have been a whole lot better, it is no way one of the best war films ever made.
Das Boot on the other hand is one of the best war films ever made.
Saving Private Ryan was voted in one of the TV survey's as the best war film made - it was good but no not the best war film ever made.
But as I say we are all entitled to our opinions.
One of the reasons that the war films based on WW2 are not so good these days is because the people who made those films actually were part of the war and had experiences they could use - certainly this is the case of most of the directors of the time.
From my personal point I do like the mix of film subjects and models - I do like the Damian Lewis Band of Brothers bust and I am desperate for a Where Eagles Dare pair of figures or if I am lucky a set of four - Mary Ure, Ingrid Pitt as well as Burton and Eastwood....and I don't care what you say Where Eagles Dare is also one of the best WW2 films made!....OK ok...best Boys Own Adventure films on the subject...you have to give me that......
....Broadsword calling Danny Boy....
Das Boot on the other hand is one of the best war films ever made.
Saving Private Ryan was voted in one of the TV survey's as the best war film made - it was good but no not the best war film ever made.
But as I say we are all entitled to our opinions.
One of the reasons that the war films based on WW2 are not so good these days is because the people who made those films actually were part of the war and had experiences they could use - certainly this is the case of most of the directors of the time.
From my personal point I do like the mix of film subjects and models - I do like the Damian Lewis Band of Brothers bust and I am desperate for a Where Eagles Dare pair of figures or if I am lucky a set of four - Mary Ure, Ingrid Pitt as well as Burton and Eastwood....and I don't care what you say Where Eagles Dare is also one of the best WW2 films made!....OK ok...best Boys Own Adventure films on the subject...you have to give me that......
....Broadsword calling Danny Boy....
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TADATSUGU
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I've not yet seen Fury. I'm not an armour buff either but my brother is the biggest rivet counter you could imagine. His opinion was that it was a comic book film based on the unlikely situations that it portrayed, but he still enjoyed it as a movie. I am a button counter when it comes to models (and proud of it), but I give films a bit of slack. They are not documentaries and I am pleased enough when they at least try to get it right.
Battle of the Bulge and Patton obviously had a surplus of the wrong tanks available and the film studios obviously didn't give a damn. It didn't matter when it came to nominating oscars but it did to me. I'm old enough to remember being brought up on 1940's and 1950's films which commonly used american armour for German and nobody kicked up a fuss, even though a lot of the actors were ex-servicemen themselves.
One of my favourite war films as a child was Sea of Sand. I saw it again recently and got a real warm feeling when the Afrika Corps M3 halftrack hove into view. It wasn't accurate but it sure looked good.
We probably expect too much from Hollywood, which is after all mainly interested in profit. Cinema audiences are probably 1% enthusiasts, 99% muggles anyway, so go figure!
It is welcome however, when an effort is made, and this is thankfully becoming more of a thing being aimed for. As more and more armour is being renovated and constructed for re-enactment purposes, it will hopefully only get better.
New research is also a two edged sword. When Waterloo was made, I doubt many viewers criticised it too much, and it was consistent with most accounts of the battle as accepted at that time. Now, after reading much newer research, I look at it as getting most of the events wrong in some way, but even so it still gives the best impression of Napoleonic warfare to date, after the Russian War and Peace. Let's just consider if we are watching a good film or a bad one, and leave the nitpicking for a bit of light hearted fun.
Also, look out for a film called Fortress of War, which I picked up for next to nothing somewhere. It's a Russian film (I think) about the siege of Brest fortress in 1941. I can't guarantee it is 100% authentic but it has the same feel as the German Generation War already mentioned. Also lookout for City of life and Death, about the Japanese taking of Nanking, and Kokoda; 39th Battalion, which gives a gruelling impression of the hardship of jungle warfare. Not for everyone style-wise but unforgettable is Come and See (again Russian) - (I guarantee you will want to go out and shoot a Nazi afterwards}. There is also a film called White Tiger ( Russian!) about T34s hunting down legendary Tiger - not seen it, but the trailer looks like it could appeal to the Turrets and Tracks brigade.
Battle of the Bulge and Patton obviously had a surplus of the wrong tanks available and the film studios obviously didn't give a damn. It didn't matter when it came to nominating oscars but it did to me. I'm old enough to remember being brought up on 1940's and 1950's films which commonly used american armour for German and nobody kicked up a fuss, even though a lot of the actors were ex-servicemen themselves.
One of my favourite war films as a child was Sea of Sand. I saw it again recently and got a real warm feeling when the Afrika Corps M3 halftrack hove into view. It wasn't accurate but it sure looked good.
We probably expect too much from Hollywood, which is after all mainly interested in profit. Cinema audiences are probably 1% enthusiasts, 99% muggles anyway, so go figure!
It is welcome however, when an effort is made, and this is thankfully becoming more of a thing being aimed for. As more and more armour is being renovated and constructed for re-enactment purposes, it will hopefully only get better.
New research is also a two edged sword. When Waterloo was made, I doubt many viewers criticised it too much, and it was consistent with most accounts of the battle as accepted at that time. Now, after reading much newer research, I look at it as getting most of the events wrong in some way, but even so it still gives the best impression of Napoleonic warfare to date, after the Russian War and Peace. Let's just consider if we are watching a good film or a bad one, and leave the nitpicking for a bit of light hearted fun.
Also, look out for a film called Fortress of War, which I picked up for next to nothing somewhere. It's a Russian film (I think) about the siege of Brest fortress in 1941. I can't guarantee it is 100% authentic but it has the same feel as the German Generation War already mentioned. Also lookout for City of life and Death, about the Japanese taking of Nanking, and Kokoda; 39th Battalion, which gives a gruelling impression of the hardship of jungle warfare. Not for everyone style-wise but unforgettable is Come and See (again Russian) - (I guarantee you will want to go out and shoot a Nazi afterwards}. There is also a film called White Tiger ( Russian!) about T34s hunting down legendary Tiger - not seen it, but the trailer looks like it could appeal to the Turrets and Tracks brigade.
peedee
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David
I shall watch out for the japanese film you mentioned, thanks for that.
I'm of the opinion, (not even a humble one), that the most accurate war movie for costume and
atmosphere has to be 'The Duellists' with Harvey Keitel and Keith Caradine.
It's set in the 'only period' worthy of a proper man's military interest, and the costumes evolve
across the period of the 1st Empire to 1816.
I do wish someone had produced these figures in a larger scale too.
Great story line, decent acting, sets, lighting and action.
Best of all, it looks and feels like it was designed by Moz Cozz, Carl Reid and Poste Militaire.
Paul
I shall watch out for the japanese film you mentioned, thanks for that.
I'm of the opinion, (not even a humble one), that the most accurate war movie for costume and
atmosphere has to be 'The Duellists' with Harvey Keitel and Keith Caradine.
It's set in the 'only period' worthy of a proper man's military interest, and the costumes evolve
across the period of the 1st Empire to 1816.
I do wish someone had produced these figures in a larger scale too.
Great story line, decent acting, sets, lighting and action.
Best of all, it looks and feels like it was designed by Moz Cozz, Carl Reid and Poste Militaire.
Paul
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Paul
I absolutly love The Duellists, but even that rankled with me, as the 3rd Hussars were in Spain in 1812, not Russia, and everyone seemed to go everywhere in full dress! - See what a pain I am!
I have often thought of watching it again hyper-critically just for the devilment but fear of being lynched has prevented me from doing so, so far
.
You just reminded me, speaking of Ridley Scott, that I was put off Exodus when I saw the trailer of Batm- sorry Moses, being chased by what appeared to be hordes of Egyptian cavalry carrying medievil banners!
And oh yes, have you seen the quite reasonable Curassiers in Terry Gilliam's Brothers Grimm?, for some reason all carrying lances!
I absolutly love The Duellists, but even that rankled with me, as the 3rd Hussars were in Spain in 1812, not Russia, and everyone seemed to go everywhere in full dress! - See what a pain I am!
I have often thought of watching it again hyper-critically just for the devilment but fear of being lynched has prevented me from doing so, so far
.You just reminded me, speaking of Ridley Scott, that I was put off Exodus when I saw the trailer of Batm- sorry Moses, being chased by what appeared to be hordes of Egyptian cavalry carrying medievil banners!
And oh yes, have you seen the quite reasonable Curassiers in Terry Gilliam's Brothers Grimm?, for some reason all carrying lances!
peedee
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Hahahaha I knew I would set you off you napoleonic purist!
I loved the novel and so had to see the film. It's the only ocassion
where the film wasn't a disappointment following on from the novel.
My other favourite novel, '7 men of gascony ' by R.F. Delderfiled
would have been a terrific movie too, Cgi battlefields et al.
'There's only one moses' so I'd never watch another after being
stuck watching chuck heston every bloody year, and in those days
there was only two channels on english tv.
There was also only john wayne or chuck heston to watch!
P
I loved the novel and so had to see the film. It's the only ocassion
where the film wasn't a disappointment following on from the novel.
My other favourite novel, '7 men of gascony ' by R.F. Delderfiled
would have been a terrific movie too, Cgi battlefields et al.
'There's only one moses' so I'd never watch another after being
stuck watching chuck heston every bloody year, and in those days
there was only two channels on english tv.
There was also only john wayne or chuck heston to watch!
P
ChaosCossack
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P, I'm enjoying The Ten Commandments as we speak (type)... Every Easter weekend since I was a little kid.
peedee
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And if you switch over he's in Ben Hur too!
and if you switch over again,
John Wayne will say.....
"Truly that man is the.........son of........Go-od
By heck.......
Marvellous
P
and if you switch over again,
John Wayne will say.....
"Truly that man is the.........son of........Go-od
By heck.......
Marvellous
P
ChaosCossack
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Ben Hur is on today here too... I can only watch one epic at a time. Right now just getting my dose of Old Timey Religion. It's never stuck before so I doubt it will stick this time.
ChaosCossack
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So as not to side track the thread... I saw Fury and really enjoyed it... for exactly what it is, a good ol' gory romp of a comic book war movie.
peedee
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Ten commandments is easy.
1) Don't, just don't !
2-10) ditto.
Now you can turn over.
P
peedee
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garyhiggins
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To be pedantic Pete it's "was the son of God and in about 3 days will be again" ................ Sorry.
peedee
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To be pedantic Gary I am a member of a
Non-prophet organisation; I'm an Atheist !
I've been celebrating the birth of the Easter Bunny,
the Galaxy Rabbit, and the Malteser.
So I don't care what's on the movies today.
I'm off to raid the cupboard again.
Woopee
Paul
garyhiggins
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It'sssshhhh dat left toinn at Albukoikee again? So much foir de Easter Bunny
