Colin_Fraser
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Actually those old plaster wall plaques were a key factor in getting me interested in facial features and character portraiture. To each their own I guess David.
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Actually those old plaster wall plaques were a key factor in getting me interested in facial features and character portraiture. To each their own I guess David.
peedee
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Oops.
If you have those now David maybe she didn't love you after all
Paul.
If you have those now David maybe she didn't love you after all
Paul.Wayneb
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Wow guys;I'm almost a little apprehensive to say I have collected 200+of the Bossons and Legend busts that take up a whole wall in my basement.They where collected because of my interest in character faces and busts that has carried over to gain my interest in painting miniatures.At the time and still do consider most excellent pieces of art for what they are.Oh well........To each his own as Colin said.
Wayne
Wayne
Hi Wayne I remember my grand parents having them on the wall they had about 10 they used to look great they were very well sculpted and painted for what they were. when my grandparents passed they were past on top me and I sold them to put towards a Guitar I was saving for at the time. now I sometimes wish I'd kept them.
As facial studies they were great and a good tool for any would be sculptor to look at and get ideas from. the different racial features were very well done and could help when doing other racial subjects as you have a 3d version to look at and it would give you a much better understanding of the bone structure of the face.
Still each to their own, I know I still have very found memories of them hanging on my grandparents wall and us grand kids either loving them or hiding behind the sofa because some of them scared you
cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
As facial studies they were great and a good tool for any would be sculptor to look at and get ideas from. the different racial features were very well done and could help when doing other racial subjects as you have a 3d version to look at and it would give you a much better understanding of the bone structure of the face.
Still each to their own, I know I still have very found memories of them hanging on my grandparents wall and us grand kids either loving them or hiding behind the sofa because some of them scared you
cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
T
TADATSUGU
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Don't worry Wayne no disrespect meant, it's just that I was scarred for life at an early age. I too have collections of stuff I keep out of general view (nothing illegal you understand).
Oops. e
If you have those now David maybe she didn't love you after all
I was her little joy and the plaster busts have been lost in the mists of time - just the memories remain.
Back on topic - I'm not totally against busts. I have a total of four. Two PILLI PILLI Samurai (bought because of the subject matter when they first came out, and when busts were not well established), a Blucher that I bought for a fiver on a cheap stall and couldn't turn down, and the ever present Largatha (which my wife wanted me to buy as we are both fans of Vikings), I didn't put up much resistance, especially as she bought it!. Needless to say all are still boxed and untouched.
When I started out (many decades ago) busts were rare, if available at all. I therefore can't help associating military modelling with conventional "toy soldier" roots, and busts with something alien.
I hate bases and groundwork too but I still prefer the full figure. I don't even like doing cavalry figures without the horse!
I know many modelers like Smudger put a lot of work into their presentations, but I do find row after row of the same bust at competitions a little dull no matter how well painted, (a bit like my Missus at aircraft and AFV stands - "its a plane, its a plane , its a plane...it's a tank, it's a tank.."). I think the full figure allows for a lot more individuality in basework and conversion of the subject matter itself, pose etc- just my opinion, and no criticism of bust modelers per-se.
Ferris
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Just like to briefly come back to the production part. Both you Ian and Stuart have mentioned that it doesn't matter much whether you're producing a bust or full figure (actualy Ian said there is a small dfference, Stuart said there is none).
That surprises me quite a bit. On average full figures have many more parts...that means more moulds, more casting blocks mounting, more production fall-out (because of the higher parts count) and I would think simply more work...?
I had expected busts to be easier to cast... Does it really not make a difference?
Cheers,
Adrian
Hi Adrian
The reason I think their is a little difference is that in my experience the smaller parts can at times make It difficult to cast. i.e. the fail rate. it's just my experience. thin parts like swords, Rifles and such. as I have said it's just my experience I'm sure that other manufacturers have had the same experience.
Yes you can some times have more moulds on foot figure it depends on how the master has been engineered. some have a great meany parts that need to be attached or they are sculpted to the body. It can also depend on how well you sprew up the master in the mould to expel the are during the degasing process. lots of different processes to be done before the final result. that's why I said in my experience I find busts easier to cast.
Cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
The reason I think their is a little difference is that in my experience the smaller parts can at times make It difficult to cast. i.e. the fail rate. it's just my experience. thin parts like swords, Rifles and such. as I have said it's just my experience I'm sure that other manufacturers have had the same experience.
Yes you can some times have more moulds on foot figure it depends on how the master has been engineered. some have a great meany parts that need to be attached or they are sculpted to the body. It can also depend on how well you sprew up the master in the mould to expel the are during the degasing process. lots of different processes to be done before the final result. that's why I said in my experience I find busts easier to cast.
Cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
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Hi Adrian
There are 2 processes going on here
1 casting
2 Moulding
Casting a bust or a figure makes no difference at all,,,you pour resin into a mould and degas it. Its that simple. You need some practice and a few tricks but in general its a boring mundane task.
Moulding on the other hand is a totally different process and it is here you will see the differences. It is here that you are seeing the quality aspects and improvements of late esp from some manufacturers . Like Ian says figures can have more parts but half busts can too so its not down to that either.
Busts are bigger it makes them easier to mould I suppose,,,you can have bigger feeds into the parts and they are less likely to break or fail. Personnaly I don't find any difference big or small its how its done that matters. Good production comes from good moulding and good casting giving you what you want,,,a good high quality product be it a bust or a figure. It is why I suppose you are seeing the rise of casting services. When I started you had to learn to cast etc and we all did. There are very few now that do cast there own products which is a shame really.
Figures do take a bit more time to mould but this is rewarded later during casting giving less fails etc so yes they are more involved. Some of the hardest pieces I have moulded were busts !!!!
Moulding figures is generally a doddle, I like mine to be in a smaller parts count,,,why have an upper body, lower body , 2 boots etc for a straight up and down figure,,,it makes no sense unless its needed due to the uniform or the pose.
So difference for me ,,,no, each has positives and negatives which on the whole cancel each other out.
A bust or a figure,,,,,,,its a model,,,,,build it,,,paint it,,,,enjoy it.
Stuart
There are 2 processes going on here
1 casting
2 Moulding
Casting a bust or a figure makes no difference at all,,,you pour resin into a mould and degas it. Its that simple. You need some practice and a few tricks but in general its a boring mundane task.
Moulding on the other hand is a totally different process and it is here you will see the differences. It is here that you are seeing the quality aspects and improvements of late esp from some manufacturers . Like Ian says figures can have more parts but half busts can too so its not down to that either.
Busts are bigger it makes them easier to mould I suppose,,,you can have bigger feeds into the parts and they are less likely to break or fail. Personnaly I don't find any difference big or small its how its done that matters. Good production comes from good moulding and good casting giving you what you want,,,a good high quality product be it a bust or a figure. It is why I suppose you are seeing the rise of casting services. When I started you had to learn to cast etc and we all did. There are very few now that do cast there own products which is a shame really.
Figures do take a bit more time to mould but this is rewarded later during casting giving less fails etc so yes they are more involved. Some of the hardest pieces I have moulded were busts !!!!
Moulding figures is generally a doddle, I like mine to be in a smaller parts count,,,why have an upper body, lower body , 2 boots etc for a straight up and down figure,,,it makes no sense unless its needed due to the uniform or the pose.
So difference for me ,,,no, each has positives and negatives which on the whole cancel each other out.
A bust or a figure,,,,,,,its a model,,,,,build it,,,paint it,,,,enjoy it.
Stuart
As Stuart says a lot of the process comes with experience Stuart has been at it a long time so will have the tricks of the trade you might say. I've come back to it after been away for quite a time and now Ellie has taken a keen interest in the process it's making it more fun. ( she is getting quite good now ). we do use steve Reedie for some of our kits that's because of time( Doing another Full time job and Ellie being at school ) but we always get out into the work shop and cast.
I'm sure other casters will have different takes on the process but as long as the product is the best you can get then that's what it's all about .
cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
I'm sure other casters will have different takes on the process but as long as the product is the best you can get then that's what it's all about .
cheers
ian
www.elliesminiatures.com
Forté
A Fixture
I'm new to busts, having only finished two (with one being a larger more 2/3s piece than a proper bust).
Majority of busts I see on the market don't pull my attention as they don't tell enough of a story or just something doesn't work for me. But the you come across companies like Young Miniatures, Life Miniatures, Leben, RP, and Nuts Planet who have changed the game really with the level of detail and story that is in each piece.
Then you have sculptors like Romain Van Den Bogaert and Raffaelle Picca (Forged Monkey) who have unique styles and put so much that is interesting to the eye that I just want to paint them.
For me it's less about whether it's a full figure or a bust and more about the sculpting quality. And with how many companies getting the computer assisted stuff more and more wrong, busts are looking more tempting to me. Though I still enjoy building bases so still doing figures too.
Majority of busts I see on the market don't pull my attention as they don't tell enough of a story or just something doesn't work for me. But the you come across companies like Young Miniatures, Life Miniatures, Leben, RP, and Nuts Planet who have changed the game really with the level of detail and story that is in each piece.
Then you have sculptors like Romain Van Den Bogaert and Raffaelle Picca (Forged Monkey) who have unique styles and put so much that is interesting to the eye that I just want to paint them.
For me it's less about whether it's a full figure or a bust and more about the sculpting quality. And with how many companies getting the computer assisted stuff more and more wrong, busts are looking more tempting to me. Though I still enjoy building bases so still doing figures too.
