Ivan the Terrible

[NeilW]

Oda is quite right: we must judge him by his times (and Western European 'princes' often behaved in a similar manner).

And to think that I unwittingly starting this rumpus which kicked off with my apparently innocent observation:

Nice... though he looks a bit too jolly for Ivan The Terrible (or has he just sacked Novgorod?).​

 

[Oda]

Oda is quite right: we must judge him by his times (and Western European 'princes' often behaved in a similar manner).

And to think that I unwittingly starting this rumpus which kicked off with my apparently innocent observation:

Nice... though he looks a bit too jolly for Ivan The Terrible (or has he just sacked Novgorod?).​

Quite right,the massacre of the night of St Bartholomew was planned and executed by western princes that are considered as "Rennaisance" today.Neil there was nothing wrong about youir post.On the contrary it was the cause for a wonderful discussion and opinion exchange on a very interesting topic.

Oda.

 

[NeilW]

Hi Oda, it was just an over-reaction to an innocent (and I thought vaguely amusing) comment, then I took the bait with my reply.

... but he does look rather happier than most subjects portrayed in this hobby

 

[Sergei]

Historical Ivan the Terrible: it is true that Ivan did not have a monopoly on violence. But nobody erects monuments to Charles IX, Henry VIII or Philip II or justify their violence. The situation with Ivan in Russia is different. And, whether we like it or not, this happens for political reasons.

Bust: it would be stupid to expect sculptors to produce only figures of good characters like Mother Theresa. But if the makers of this bust of Ivan think that everybody who disagrees with their assessment of historical Ivan is a liberal (?), pederast (??) and Ukrainian (???), then I will not give these people my money. It is very simple.

Sergei

 

[NeilW]

This is all getting silly: let's just agree that it's a great sculpt and you can buy it or not as you wish.

 

[Nap]

Hi Guys

Just seen this thread and the comments .....please stop all comments that are not in accordance with PF policy ....PLEASE USE the PM conversation facility if you wish to discuss non thread related

Please can I ask where possible for members to post in ENGLISH as that is the main language of this forum

I have deleted all non thread ie: the sculpt comments

The thread is about what a sculpt from a talented sculptor and what will be a new release from a very respected company who support this forum in many ways .

I like it lots ...the helmet sculpting is great and the casting could not have been easy so credit to all concerned

Look forward to seeing a painted version of this

Happy bench time

Nap

 

[Martin Antonenko]

Total agree Nap!

 

[Nap]

Total agree Nap!

I have deleted many posts here ....

As Neil says it's a great sculpt buy it if you want

Nap

If members wish to PM me feel free ...I am off to paint !

 

[Romariogendalf]

От Души сказал!
Дай Бог здоровья!
Хотя бы тут на форумах без политики бы. Она и так достала.

Google translate by Nap

From the Soul said!
God bless health!
At least here in the forums without politics would. She's got it.

 

[PLG]

love the chainmail - excellent