Junior Officer Scots Greys 1815 - Future Release.

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I think the day will come when it will be fast and cost-efective for companies to sell 3D prints, intead of using 3D prints as masters for moulds.

I hope not.

Most (not all… most) of the 3D figures, hands sets, etc., that I have purchased I have been very (very) disappointed in.

Print lines. Very hard material that cannot be smoothed by blade, file, or sanding paper.

Several I have thrown in the trash.

I am extremely reluctant to purchase 3D printed items at this point.
 
I think you are right Luis. Some 3D sculptors sell the digital files to any modeller who has a 3D printer. Also some manufacturers produce them as 3D prints.
I don't have that capability and am not looking to do so.
Cheers.
Gordon
 
mm70882013
Sorry I do not know your name as your profile is locked.

I think I would have to agree in some respects as this is mostly down to lack of knowledge, experience in regards to what resolution printers to use for what job that also match the resin used for the best results, orientation of the parts to be printed correctly to minimize clean-up of support structure and layer lines. . You can’t buy a book on it and everything is gained through experience and mistakes, mine now extending into 7 years.

There are so many new printer models on the market on a monthly basis and so many people have the misconception that if the buy 8k or 12k big bed printer it will be better than their smaller 4k printer. The big K really does not mean that much as the bottom line is the pixel size, the smaller the screen pixel size the finer the print will be. So effectively if you have a 12k printer with a 10 inch print bed this will be around 28 micron pixels but if you had a 9k printer with a 7 inch print bed this will give you 18 micron pixels as the screen is smaller or 8520 x 4320 in X&Y, this will give you a much finer print than the 12k printer as the pixels are smaller and the final details increase depending you layer height you choose to print at between 50 down to 10 microns in the figure business. This will eliminate any visible layer or voxel lines but again near total elimination is resin dependent but layer lines will not be eliminated entirely as the whole printing process is based around layers.

Saying that the larger 8k and 12k printers are great and I use them to produce fantastic prints of larger parts with voxel lines only visible on rounded areas that will need to be sanded away. I tend to formulate my own resin for figure printing and small parts that can easily be sanded or sliced with a certain amount of flexibility and not shatter like glass in most cases.

I to have purchased several 3d prints the past few years and have been mainly underwhelmed with what I have received, saying that there are now a few figure producers around that are on it correctly and producing some great stuff but I still think there is a long way to go for manufactures to mass produce 3d printed kits to sell in the 100s. Something I have “0” interest in doing along with all the file download and print yourself etc. which also comes with its own set of issue with piracy being the number one.



Cheers
Tommi
 
Why is suggesting a manufacturer chose one scale rather than half a dozen any less valid than the other way around?
I personally hate it more when I buy a kit and then some months later it comes out in a scale I would have preferred to have chosen in the first place, if it had been available at the time.

Are promises of future scales always guaranteed to turn up? I know in the past I have waited for this to happen and lost out when it didn't: only to find the original run had sold out.

Does commitment to a production of different sizes impact on the number of the original release being compromised (limited editions) - I don't know, I'm just asking, that's all!

If all the scales intended for release came out at the same time a considered choice could be made but Tommi has effectively explained why that won't happen. My first reaction to that explanation was, "then why would manufacturers lumber themselves such a difficult task when we all used to accept one scale fits all without a second thought? Surely picking one scale would help give that manufacturer an easier life.

I also don't personally see why releasing 3d printed items in different scales has to be the overriding reason for adopting it.
Just because you can, doesn't mean you have to and my first reason for buying a kit has never been how big it was - hence a variety of scales on the shelf.

I don't remember all this "can we have it bigger, cut in half etc" business being in anyone's heads before it was made available.

I guess I just don't like having too much choice - I remember when you could go to the off license (liquor store) for a bottle of wine and had two choices of red and two white. I'd consider not having to wander though a hundred options of wine, cheese, spicy sauces etc a blessing these days. And before anyone asks if I also used to like living in a cardboard box in the middle of the road, I don't expect anyone else to agree with me.

David
 
David .

Perhaps one solution to the "which scale will they do?" dilemma would be to buy the figure which is available 'there and then' (IF) you can't get any definitive answer as to future scale releases and then, if one later comes out in a different scale that you prefer, buy that one and just offload the other piece.....? Just a thought.
 
David .

Perhaps one solution to the "which scale will they do?" dilemma would be to buy the figure which is available 'there and then' (IF) you can't get any definitive answer as to future scale releases and then, if one later comes out in a different scale that you prefer, buy that one and just offload the other piece.....? Just a thought.

That's true, but a costly solution considering the number of alternative models coming out every month vying for my money.
David
 
That's true, but a costly solution considering the number of alternative models coming out every month vying for my money.
David

I don't know what else to suggest then David other than either be more circumspect in what you buy, or, just accept that sometimes in the hobby and like life itself, as the song goes ..."you can't always get what you want."

Just enjoy what we have in this 'Golden Age' of the hobby as life is too short for adopting a 'paralysis by analysis' approach in what is supposed to be a relaxing hobby for us all.

Cheers!
 
David

This will probably be my last post in this thread replying to your concerns as its getting quite time consuming and exasperating in some respects. All I will say is that some of the small businesses that produce figures based on 3d technology have their own strategy in regards to sales, scale releases and pulling in funds to pay for new projects and in some cases money needed to live off, pay mortgage, food, child care etc so they have to adopt the best course of action to make this all happen.

Like yourself we all have our own opinions and outlook on various aspects of our interests and hobbies but please can I give you a bit of advice from an old timer being in the figure modelling game quite successfully for over 35 years, please do not ever think of going into business within the figure business yourself! Just buy you kits (75mm, 120mm, 200mm, Busts, etc) and paint them and maybe one day we will actually see something you have purchased and talked about so much in the flesh, start enjoying your hobby whatever scale it may be!
Tommi
 
David

This will probably be my last post in this thread replying to your concerns as its getting quite time consuming and exasperating in some respects.
Tommi


For me too - I never expected any response - nor was any questioning of your professional practices. From my point of view it has been yourself who seems to have taken offence at something I have said - I don't know why.

I refer you back to my original post, where all I said was;-
"A stunner. I normally go for 75mm but this quality calls out for 120mm".

David
 
David

I give you a bit of advice from an old timer being in the figure modelling game quite successfully for over 35 years, please do not ever think of going into business within the figure business yourself! Just buy you kits (75mm, 120mm, 200mm, Busts, etc) and paint them and maybe one day we will actually see something you have purchased and talked about so much in the flesh, start enjoying your hobby whatever scale it may be!
Tommi

I find this a bit patronizing Tommi.
I have never had any intention of starting a business.
I have been doing modelling of some kind or other for nearly sixty years.
I don't know why I have to show you any of my work before I can have and post opinions.
At the moment I have personal and psychological reasons for not modelling and posting work. I hope to do so at some point in the future but will not be goaded into doing so before I am ready to.

Signing off - please let it lie.

David
 
This is superbly done. There are inaccuracies with the use of the reins and the bit is too bulky, which, like weapons, is often the case with scale models. The stirrups are also too bulky. If he is holding one pair of reins, it should be the curb rein, not the snaffle rein, but cavalry officers of the time were usually outstanding horseman who seemed to regard a cavalry charge as only one step up from hunting, much to Wellington's disquiet (!), and would usually have hold of both reins. Men-at-Arms No.138, British Cavalry Equipments 1800 - 1941 and Chapter five of British Napoleonic Uniforms by Franklin, both have detaails of cavalry bridles of the time. The latter also shows how the reins were held, which was also in the Historex catalogues of the past. Franklin's book is a mine and wealth of information for any British Wellingtonian modellers.

Mike
I've just posted something of interest under the Uniform Reference section. Scots Greys of this period were also allowed moustaches.
 
Very impressive piece!

Question to the producers here regarding the hassle of producing multiple scale runs: Wouldn’t it be an option to handle things like a kickstarter? Having customers order based on the 3d renders, and only produce the amount ordered, plus, say, 30% for late orders and shows. Scales will only be produced if demand is above some threshold. Wouldn’t the pre-orders give a fair projection of total sales?

I like this benefit of digital, having all sorts of scales, but fully understand the hassle.

Cheers
Adrian
 
Very impressive piece!

Question to the producers here regarding the hassle of producing multiple scale runs: Wouldn’t it be an option to handle things like a kickstarter? Having customers order based on the 3d renders, and only produce the amount ordered, plus, say, 30% for late orders and shows. Scales will only be produced if demand is above some threshold. Wouldn’t the pre-orders give a fair projection of total sales?

I like this benefit of digital, having all sorts of scales, but fully understand the hassle.

Cheers
Adrian
We do have a pre order system Adrian. I usually post on FB and PF for people to contact me if they are interested.Once the kits are in mould invoices are sent out to those who pre ordered. After these are fulfilled kits are put on the website.
Cheers
Gordon
 
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