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Wayneb

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It's hard for me to believe the direction PF has gone;..from a friendly place to go;to a place where you have to battle between who is right and who is wrong...unbelievable......
The thing that trips my trigger is the fact that certain members seem to be driven to prove someone wrong.....What a shame...............PF is off its' Axis.......and losing quality members because of it.....:(
 
Sadly it had come up a few times with people picking faults and rivet counters as well,the so called experts who criticise but don't post anything up themselves,sadly Wayne we'll always have these sort of people in our hobby,my advice is to ignore them,that's what I do now
 
Sorry guys......But I was trying not to be specific.......but my friend whom I've never met has backed off :(........Carl Reid has decided to to be the mystery man....And God bless him...He has dipped into this pot much more than could than could be asked.And I don't blame him.A man of his talent has already been justified.............Wayne
 
I hope Wayne you do not mean you are leaving PF.

I must say I do not think PF is degenerating from a friendly place to a fighting arena and I have been surprised by people leaving because of this supposed change. Over the past few years it has grown tremendously, so it is only normal that there are more extremes. From a village it has become a city. The average Member and thread, I find, is still friendly, encouraging and sometimes even constructive.

I agree there are occasional spats and blazing threads, but based on the large number of views on these threads I can only conclude that most of us just love to watch a fight. I admit to be strangely fascinated by such threads as well, occasionally.

If we think PF is negatively changing, in my view it will surely help reduce the extremer sides of the site if we try to ignore the more firebrand comments and threads. That means not replying on replies to replies, but simply skipping over the thread or comment. No need for locking threads and then getting in a fight about that. We just need to NOT comment sometimes. I really find it odd to leave a site you have liked for so long, when it is so simple to ignore the parts we do not like.

Overall this is still a great site. It certainly has changed by growing. The plus side is there is more variety in nationalities, skill levels and styles. It is the go-to figure site for many manufacturors. Let's focus on the good parts...

Cheers,
Adrian
 
I've been a Planet Figure member for 8 years and over that time I think this site has become better, not worse. It has changed a lot. When I started on pF there were many, many American's here - now there are considerably fewer. By contrast, we have seen enormous growth in new members from Asia and Eastern Europe, which does create a few language/ translation problems from time to time, but has definitely made this forum more diverse and global.

I still think its the best figure modelling forum on the web, and for me it is a part of my daily life and a source of inspiration and a place where I have made many friends.

Ultimately these types of international community forums only work when the members themselves decide to contribute and share their thoughts and opinions with each other. At times this can spark outrage and stimulate heated flame wars, and I've always enjoyed throwing my two cents worth into a fight when I felt I had something to add. But in the main, this forum has been generally well behaved, members are generally respectful to one another and the quality of the discussions and opinions expressed has been very helpful.

We do attract a small number of dickheads. These people usually cause trouble early and don't stay long. Some people can't accept constructive criticism and attack the critic rather than accept the criticism with good grace. I know some very good forum members who are exceptionally good modellers have left pF over the years for various reasons, but generally speaking the people who leave pF do so because they don't suit this forum or this forum doesn't suit them - not because this isn't a good forum.

We can't rely on the Moderators to police every thread or read every comment, so to a certain extent this forum has to be self-monitoring. That does cause problems at times, for sure, but some people are just dickheads and there's no polite way of dealing with them other than to call them dickheads and hope they go away.
 
Like buying figures or not - replying to threads or not - even opening a thread or not! - the leaving PF or not is a personal decision. It does not tell nothing about the quality of this forum in my eyes but just about the ability to accept other member`s views on different topics and the inability to differentiate between hobby matters and personal egos.
My two cents!
Martin
 
I've been here since januari 2004. I'm a member of 7 januari 2004 and whas member 114. At the moment I see I have made almost 23000 postings. That is almost 4 a day. So I can say that the forum has changed. But it is still the place on the planet for figure modellers. And yes now and then there is some mud throwing. Sadly a few days ago for the first time in my direction. I stayed cool and gave no respons in the heat of the moment. Tony, Steve and Gino picked it up and support me.
Never hear nothing from the guy again.
So yes, if you where offended by somebody you can react and set the fire on maximum. You can also stay away for a moment.
It's up to you.....but leaving the forum for that????????
And there are indeed always discussions over thinny details......it is putting the latter higher....leaving the forum for that???
We all have the freedom for choices. So....its up to you.

Marc
 
This is probably going to start a war - not intended, I just want to say how I see it.

I was involved in the thread leading to Carl's statement. I am sorry he feels the need to leave. I think Carl is a great sculptor but I had commented on what I still see as an error in a proposed new release that he sculpted - I had previously made a similar comment on another of his models - please note that is two models, in what is a very prolific output.

Those threads started off as civilised discussions. In both cases the same small clique of members seem to have taken my comments as an attack on Carl's talent and the livelyhood of the producer of the kits involved. Despite trying to explain that this was not my intent, (I had not even referred to who had sculpted or produced the figures), and despite offering sincere apologises to both those parties if I had adversly affected their sales (a personal apology to the kit producer at the next model show I attended), those members and not the aledgedly injured parties I note, (who reacted in nothing but an admirable manner), persisted in hi-jacking the threads. They did not offer evidence to disprove any of errors I had pointed out and did not seem to accept any evidence I did post to support my criticisms. They seemed more focused on making uncalled for, snide comments which were hurtful to me, to the extent that I also considered leaving the site for good.

Now I don't know about you, but I don't like being accused falsely of pursuing a vendetta about someone I don't know. I own a few of the models Carl has sculpted myself, I wish him no harm, but I do not have to slavishly accept every piece he produces as perfection incarnate just because he has a few supporters who cannot handle me not doing so. Those members seem unable to accept this.

I like this site. Both of these incidents resulted in me receiving personal messages of support which led to a few intelligent and informative private conversations with members from other countries that I would not have otherwise had. I have posted my appreciation of more models than I have criticised and have never aimed my criticism at an individual modellers work, only at commercially produced items that I feel are open to scutiny in the interests of all. I see no point in limiting comment to the models I like and fawning over my mates work - this isn't facebook, is it?

To leave the site would just be giving way to what I consider a few misguided members who seem to be hell bent on sabotaging threads whenever they feel personally slighted . I hope that in my time on the site I have been able to inform and offer help to more members than I have offended. I am sorry if efforts to defend my position have escallated into arguement and spoilt it for others but I would not feel the need to do that if people would refrain from mis- representing what I have said in the first place.

I would be willing to abstain from posting in future if anyone other than the "trolls" feel it would help to do so. I am getting as disillusioned and fed up of the sniping as anyone else.

Keep your sunny side up folks!
 
I had sent Wayne a friendly PM to discuss this so as to avoid feeding the flames. But I will say publicly that I have not seen much nastiness or flame wars on site recently. Just a reasonably civil disagreement between two camps both holding sensible positions. One seems to want to discuss all aspects of a model, including historical accuracy. The second camp seems threatened or offended by the accuracy discussion, most likely due to adverse impact on future commercial sales. I have not seen these quarrels emerging in non-commercial threads.

Most importantly, I think these positions have been sensibly articulated without much rancour. I don't see the site deteriorating. If members choose to cease participating, that is their choice. I have been tempted from time to time, usually in hindsight when real life stress has led to me getting annoyed here out of proportion to the triggering event or comment.

And David, if you are referring to the hussar, it wasn't even Carl's sculpt. That was a Moz piece.

Colin
 
My God...How did I get involved in this......If you go back to the Hussar thread you will see at the end where Carl gave his notice that he was backing off PF......I sent a PM regarding my disappointment for him leaving.....You all need to back to that Hussar thread and read towards the end of it.It was a fire that brewed between Carl and someone else.....................Wayne.......
 
To add to my own thread.." LOSS OF A MEMBER".........I was merely trying to make notice to fellow members that CARL REID has left the fold..........If you are so inclined to send him a PM...to convince him back........Wayne
 
My God...How did I get involved in this......
That is a good question and one possible answer to the question is that it was you who started this thread and now for the third time mentioned Carl Reid and "someone else". - What is or was the purpose of this thread?
Carl Reid is like everybody else entitled to leave or stay on PF. The reasons for his decision are personal I suppose and fortunately nobody so far is willing to burn "somebody else" on a stake for that. If that was the intention for starting this thread it did not work out.
So I think this very thread is a proof that PF is a good place for hobbyists and hobby related discussions. The commercial concerns raised that a discussion about accuracy will endanger sales still have to be proven in numbers IMHO. Even if this would be the case this platform is NOT commercial. So if you decide to put a piece on display critical comments have to be tolerated - on the other side the option to announce an upcoming release is a free option of advertisement.
I for my part enjoy the creativity of top sculptors and the knowledge occasionally offered by "somebody else". This might raise interest in the upcoming release and even leads to improvements and adaptions - so more people get interested and sales might increase. Maybe another way to look at nitpickers.:)
Happy modelling!
Martin
 
As a side issue re accuracy , for some it is intensely important especially among collectors ; to them the piece has no real value if something is wrong and no resale value , these guys sometimes pay big bucks for this stuff.
For most of us the odd button out of place doesn't matter a hoot and are happy just to do there best .

People come and go , some take the huff ; best thing about taking the huff is the unhuff :D don't know if that is a real word but it should be :rolleyes:

And for some of you guys who think you have nit pickers ; i was about to step into a bath tonight when a knock came to the door and a client said she was not happy with something we had done today , so back on with the working gear pick and shovel to hand and four hours later "sorted " it was a big nit:rolleyes:
 
Martin,
I absolutely do not know what you are talking about.......All I did was make an awareness to fellow members of the loss of a well known member...Apparently..no one cares.......Don't make a mountain out a mole hill....
I am almost amazed at that response......I will let it rest there.............Regards,.....Wayne
 
This thread was brought to my attention earlier, and reading I feel compelled to respond.

First I want to thank Wayne.

Secondly, David is taking way too much credit for my decision. Here's why. I didn't sculpt the hussar. I have no vested interest, except its sculpted by a friend amd manufactured by a friend.

I haven't left PF because I've got the hump or p****d off.
Nor have I left so folks will plead with me to come back.

I've left PF because of what it's slipping into. One of negativity, (in my opinion).

This is the reason why I think this.

Take the Hussar thread for example.
It generated 5500 views and 130 comments. This was effectively to waych piece systematically discredited.
Unyet a new release barely gets 1000 views and a handful of comments.
So basically I don't want to be part of something where savaging a someone's work becomes box office!

Now I've never held anyones arm up their back to like me or my work. You either do or you don't. I change your opinions and I'll never try.
I'm just a sculptor who happens operate in this field.

But I would just like to add this, a commercial sculptor is in a no win situation. If he responds tp criticism, he's deemed as fragile and unable to handle critique. If doesn't then the criticsm is deemed as correct and justified.

So this is me signing off.

Carl
 
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