Maori Warrior ready for the Moko
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tonydawe
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HI Marco,
I'm no expert on Maori moko, but my understanding is that a warrior with full facial tattooing would almost certainly have tattoos on his arms, from wrist to shoulder, as well.
Chers
I'm no expert on Maori moko, but my understanding is that a warrior with full facial tattooing would almost certainly have tattoos on his arms, from wrist to shoulder, as well.
Chers
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Yes Marco, Tony is correct, as I understand it it is likely that over years a warrior would build up tattoos covering the body, including the buttocks which were used in a particularly offensive ceremonial gesture to the enemy. Check out the various links I sent you especially those based in NZ and from modern Maori organizations - URL ends in .nz ;[)
Here's a couple more backgrounder links:
http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/TePapa/English/Learning/OnlineResources/Moko/
http://www.maoriart.org.nz/noticeboard/te_uhi/faq
http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/assets/pdf/Tattoo_Clue_-_Polynesian_and_European_Tattoo_History.pdf
Note this mentions the "blue" appearence as I discussed with you Goldie chose Green to represent the skin "light"coming through.
http://history-nz.org/maori3.html - good breakdown of ta moko sections.
http://www.mango-pare.com/nz_moko.html
http://www.dozta2.com/moko.html
Given the canvas you have here with that right shoulder it may well be worth having a go, especially with the quality of the example you have already established on the face.
If you need any more help, do sing out. I can contact some family members to get more info if the websites are not specific enough.
Mike
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Here's a couple more backgrounder links:
http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/TePapa/English/Learning/OnlineResources/Moko/
http://www.maoriart.org.nz/noticeboard/te_uhi/faq
http://www.questacon.edu.au/html/assets/pdf/Tattoo_Clue_-_Polynesian_and_European_Tattoo_History.pdf
Note this mentions the "blue" appearence as I discussed with you Goldie chose Green to represent the skin "light"coming through.
http://history-nz.org/maori3.html - good breakdown of ta moko sections.
http://www.mango-pare.com/nz_moko.html
http://www.dozta2.com/moko.html
Given the canvas you have here with that right shoulder it may well be worth having a go, especially with the quality of the example you have already established on the face.
If you need any more help, do sing out. I can contact some family members to get more info if the websites are not specific enough.
Mike
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As always I have to thank you Tony and Michael! 
In order to the shoulder tattoo I was looking at the references you gave me , dear Miki, and it is clear that the warrior I am trying to do hadn't tattoos on the body except for two parallel lines running around the neck. This could be a good excuse to don't cover too much the bust with tattoos in order to leave a part of the body "naked" and appreciate ,in this way, the skintone....do you agree with me?
In order to the shoulder tattoo I was looking at the references you gave me , dear Miki, and it is clear that the warrior I am trying to do hadn't tattoos on the body except for two parallel lines running around the neck. This could be a good excuse to don't cover too much the bust with tattoos in order to leave a part of the body "naked" and appreciate ,in this way, the skintone....do you agree with me?
tonydawe
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Hi Marco,
Great progress mate. Just look at all that beautiful skin on his right shoulder screaming out for a tattoo!!!
Cheers
Great progress mate. Just look at all that beautiful skin on his right shoulder screaming out for a tattoo!!!
Cheers
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Marco,
f'sure mate you can leave the shoulder bare as you still have other details to come that will be compliment the work you have done on ta moko. The tiki necklace in jade and the bone\wood comb. The cloak (korowai or kaitaka) or can also have fine texturing with both white and brown detail present, have a look here for more details:
http://www.tnm.jp/en/servlet/Con?pageId=B01&processId=01&event_id=3675
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/humanworld/worldcultures/oceania/newzealand/devweaving.asp
http://www.oceania-ethnographica.com/micl92.jpg
http://www.christchurchartgallery.org.nz/Exhibitions/2007/ToiMaoriTheEternalThread/
http://www.eske-style.co.nz/maoriculture.asp
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/humanworld/worldcultures/oceania/newzealand/weaving.asp
You could enhance the cloak with some oil paint texturing, a texture revived by Hardy Tempest and one I've enjoyed using on many of my figures lately.
Another famous NZ artist is Gottfried Lindauer, you will get more inspiration for the detail from his work I'm sure, here are a couple of his works for your consideration:
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...624F950D19BD78AE?view=detail&db=object&id=304
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...6718542BDA736963?view=detail&db=object&id=317
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...D07EF05BBA65450B?view=detail&db=object&id=328
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...5A1C9B9984289268?view=detail&db=object&id=316
All of these Kaumatua (respected tribal elder) would have been contemporaries of your bust.
Again beautiful work and I wait patiently for your next steps.
Mike
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f'sure mate you can leave the shoulder bare as you still have other details to come that will be compliment the work you have done on ta moko. The tiki necklace in jade and the bone\wood comb. The cloak (korowai or kaitaka) or can also have fine texturing with both white and brown detail present, have a look here for more details:
http://www.tnm.jp/en/servlet/Con?pageId=B01&processId=01&event_id=3675
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/humanworld/worldcultures/oceania/newzealand/devweaving.asp
http://www.oceania-ethnographica.com/micl92.jpg
http://www.christchurchartgallery.org.nz/Exhibitions/2007/ToiMaoriTheEternalThread/
http://www.eske-style.co.nz/maoriculture.asp
http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/humanworld/worldcultures/oceania/newzealand/weaving.asp
You could enhance the cloak with some oil paint texturing, a texture revived by Hardy Tempest and one I've enjoyed using on many of my figures lately.
Another famous NZ artist is Gottfried Lindauer, you will get more inspiration for the detail from his work I'm sure, here are a couple of his works for your consideration:
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...624F950D19BD78AE?view=detail&db=object&id=304
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...6718542BDA736963?view=detail&db=object&id=317
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...D07EF05BBA65450B?view=detail&db=object&id=328
http://collection.aucklandartgaller...5A1C9B9984289268?view=detail&db=object&id=316
All of these Kaumatua (respected tribal elder) would have been contemporaries of your bust.
Again beautiful work and I wait patiently for your next steps.
Mike
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Hey Mike!
Great job on a subject that I have always loved. I actually started sculpting a Maori bust many, many years ago. At the time, I was a bit flummoxed about how to depict the Moko. As I understand it, the Moko is not merely a surface tattoo (dyed skin), but is actually accompanied by three dimensional scarification.
This offered a sculptural problem back in the days when I sculpted heads from putty. It took a bit of effort to get the ethnic "look" of a Maori, forget about having to carve three dimensional patterns into the finished face. I did not relish this idea so, I never finished the face and it still sits long forgotten in some dusty box.
But I have, since many years hence, gone on to sculpting heads in Sculpey. The stuff stays soft indefinitely and the former "problem" no longer is. Perhaps it is time to revisit this subject...... ??
Cheers mate! I will defintitely check out your links!
Mike
Great job on a subject that I have always loved. I actually started sculpting a Maori bust many, many years ago. At the time, I was a bit flummoxed about how to depict the Moko. As I understand it, the Moko is not merely a surface tattoo (dyed skin), but is actually accompanied by three dimensional scarification.
This offered a sculptural problem back in the days when I sculpted heads from putty. It took a bit of effort to get the ethnic "look" of a Maori, forget about having to carve three dimensional patterns into the finished face. I did not relish this idea so, I never finished the face and it still sits long forgotten in some dusty box.
But I have, since many years hence, gone on to sculpting heads in Sculpey. The stuff stays soft indefinitely and the former "problem" no longer is. Perhaps it is time to revisit this subject...... ??
Cheers mate! I will defintitely check out your links!
Mike
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Hi Mike,
It ain't my project mate, I've just been trying to help Marco Greco, an Italian modeller with the project, however good to see your interest rekindled. Yep Ta Moko is a scarification process that gets deeper and more apparent as the wearer ages it seems. Would be great to see you tackle this one again, do sing out if I can help in anyway, there are a wealth of examples you could use and a few of which you will see on the links I've provided Marco both here and via email.
Appreciate the post and by the way not sure if you got my message ref the Optio bust, I did replace the feathers as you advised, too mixed response. Personally I reckoned the look better.
Kind regards,
Mike
It ain't my project mate, I've just been trying to help Marco Greco, an Italian modeller with the project, however good to see your interest rekindled. Yep Ta Moko is a scarification process that gets deeper and more apparent as the wearer ages it seems. Would be great to see you tackle this one again, do sing out if I can help in anyway, there are a wealth of examples you could use and a few of which you will see on the links I've provided Marco both here and via email.
Appreciate the post and by the way not sure if you got my message ref the Optio bust, I did replace the feathers as you advised, too mixed response. Personally I reckoned the look better.
Kind regards,
Mike
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Hi Folks,...I'm truly enjoying following the progress of this subject, (very close to my heart) mate are you working from H.G.Robley's book "MOKO"..I have it sitting here in front of me, I've seen the paintings many times that Mike has posted, its all making the old fingers dance....
Its only my opinion, but I feel Tattooing the shoulder, may work as an over kill in this case,just the Green Stone Tiki all shaded and highlighted would look just enough....Im sculpting a Maori of the 28th Battalion 120mm, W11 as we talk, sadly he dose not carry any Moko...
following closley..Phil..
Its only my opinion, but I feel Tattooing the shoulder, may work as an over kill in this case,just the Green Stone Tiki all shaded and highlighted would look just enough....Im sculpting a Maori of the 28th Battalion 120mm, W11 as we talk, sadly he dose not carry any Moko...
following closley..Phil..
Sambaman
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The Jade is very convincing! Nice work!
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tonydawe
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Hi Marco,
Its awesome mate. Keep going. I love the moko and the skin tones.
Cheers
Its awesome mate. Keep going. I love the moko and the skin tones.
Cheers
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That's it my friend - very, very nice!
Would love to see some shots from other angles, looks like you have begun wor on the earrings and hair decoration. I also like the pensive mood you are conveying with eyes.
The tiki also looks fab, good to see the greenstone effect on it, you may want to try doing the eyes in a paua shell like abalone, with a dark pearlescent effect.
Just keep it comin!
Mike
P.S. Just checked out the Pegaso site and see that Luca has it listed under the "Ancients", Marco if you get a chance tell him this would be very unlikely and more suitable under the Medieval or even 18-19th Century ;-)
Maori never reached New Zealand until around 950AD.
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Would love to see some shots from other angles, looks like you have begun wor on the earrings and hair decoration. I also like the pensive mood you are conveying with eyes.
The tiki also looks fab, good to see the greenstone effect on it, you may want to try doing the eyes in a paua shell like abalone, with a dark pearlescent effect.
Just keep it comin!
Mike
P.S. Just checked out the Pegaso site and see that Luca has it listed under the "Ancients", Marco if you get a chance tell him this would be very unlikely and more suitable under the Medieval or even 18-19th Century ;-)
Maori never reached New Zealand until around 950AD.
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Hi Miki, thanks again for you support.
The eyes on the Tiki will be made at last, after having reproduced the tipical surface of the greenstone.
About the Pegaso question, soon I will advise Luca or Pietro about this little mistake and try to solve it in alittle time.
Keep waiting my friends as my Maori is very near to the goal!
The eyes on the Tiki will be made at last, after having reproduced the tipical surface of the greenstone.
About the Pegaso question, soon I will advise Luca or Pietro about this little mistake and try to solve it in alittle time.
Keep waiting my friends as my Maori is very near to the goal!
amcairns
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Magnificent
Marco,
what a great job you,ve done on the bust there.A moko is,nt the easiest to paint .I think you,ve done it justice,well done.
andy
Marco,
what a great job you,ve done on the bust there.A moko is,nt the easiest to paint .I think you,ve done it justice,well done.
andy
Black Army
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Excelent work my friend! WOW!
tonydawe
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Marco,
Outstanding work my friend. You've really captured the spirit of the Maori in this bust. I would still like to see some tatooing on the shoulder and right arm, but he looks great just as he is.
Cheers
Outstanding work my friend. You've really captured the spirit of the Maori in this bust. I would still like to see some tatooing on the shoulder and right arm, but he looks great just as he is.
Cheers
M
Mark S
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Marco,great work.
I've found the painting your doing and the entire thread
fascinating.Brilliant work.
I don't feel the feathers work with the rest of the bust.
Just me maybe.
I've found the painting your doing and the entire thread
fascinating.Brilliant work.
I don't feel the feathers work with the rest of the bust.
Just me maybe.
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