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Rick, I don't disagree. Fantasy/sci-fi figures can be more "artistic" than historical figures because there can be more individual interpretation in how to paint the figure. I was looking through pictures of the Fen Model show and thinking just that, especially when it comes to presentation. Historical modelling is more about making an accurate representation of the real thing, a different skill set.

I prefer historical miniatures because I am a history nerd. But I can see why people who don't have a deep interest in particular historical periods may be more drawn to fantasy figures. And that probably covers a lot of younger generations who didn't grow up watching war films on the TV and reading war comics (like I did!).
 
Interesting point Rick, and one I agree with...to a point. I'm very much drawn
to pieces that don't require me to follow the stipulated colours of an official
uniform, but instead allow me the luxury of creating my own tonalised colour
schemes. That way I enjoy both worlds.....the freedom of choice and the
discipline of historical authenticity:).

Mike
 
Those of you with kids who like to paint fantasy wargame figures-invite them along to the historical miniature shows, to club meetings, and offer to go to their shows and meetings. You may find that with the exposure, they may pick up a classic figure, too. I have seen this in action at our show (MFCA), for example. We have had a growing group of fantasy wargame painters come to the show and participate, and I see many of them come out of the vendor hall with a historical kit or two.

Again, I go up a level and look at the hobby as "anyone painting figures of any genre and style", not, "strictly historical miniatures", though my own preference is for very specific historical subjects in 54mm.

And, I paint mine in gloss toy soldier style, too, so if we went by genre, I'm not even part of the hobby.

Prost!
Brad
 
I'm 82 (gasp!) and have been painting figures for about 45 years. Most of that time I painted historical/military figures. As my interest in historical/military has waned over the years interest in fantasy figures has grown. Not of the bare bosom soft core porn figures of interest to some. But of the type produced by Spira Mirabilis, ZabaArt, Blacksmith Miniatures and many others. And I think I may know why.

Ready your pea shooters...

Painting historical/military figures is similar to a paint by number kit. The real life uniform serves as your guide to tell you which color to place in which position. This is not to denigrate the process. It's satisfying and takes a great deal of skill to do well. But the same figure painted by two different artists is going to look essentially the same.


No pea shooter - I agree with most of what you say, particularly on your first point referring to those particular fantasy companies, but comparison with Paint-by-numbers?
I see where you are coming from, and yes, that can be the case, at the "toy" figure market, or at an entry level but there's more than blocking in to it; as we all know - shading weathering even directional lighting effects etc. One can also choose to actually do a paint by numbers canvas by simply blocking in the lines but it too, can always then be used as a simple preliminary guide outline for painting with additional shading and change of colours to give a more artistic and personalised end product.

I personally don't mind all figures looking the same from a painting perspective if they are authentic, that's what we're aiming for isn't it - otherwise why use reference at all?
What I personally get tired of is seeing row upon row (hyperbole) of same piece painted straight from the box, without any modification or thought to the presentation. Remember the old days of scratch building?
O.K. I know it is still around, but that seems to be the dying art to me. I love it when I see that just a head has been turned around, an arm changed, a hose switched or or an original concept in the base work. It doesn't take much.

Although many might take my rivet counting a little too literally, I would never criticise anyone for the wide range of blues I have seen on Napoleonic grenadier models - that is the artistic choice bit.
To my mind the correct colour is very, very dark compared with most figures I see at competitions, but it's still a grenadier even if painted a few shades lighter or brighter, and there's always room to depict a sun bleached or weather worn uniform.
Quite a range of options for that one subject alone.

David
 
Actually, I find it fascinating how different painters can have a distinct and recognizable style, even on the same figure, in the same colour scheme.


On this very aspect, there's nothing I like more than seeing another painter's interpretation of a piece I've done. "Oh, I see you went with a darker/lighter shade" etc. Larsen's comparison with 'paint-by-numbers' is fairly accurate. 'This bit's blue, that bit's red...' and so on. Whereas in fantasy stuff, there are no rules, and that appeals to many. With this in mind, I've got a figure I'm about to embark on, and I’m not going to do him as he's usually depicted...

We all know that we fancy ourselves as amateur historians in this hobby, recent topic on the new Napoleon film being a case in point, as it takes our passion for history and gives us something to do with it.
 
An example (beside many more) that came to my mind when we talk about painting historical (drab) pieces by numbers with (always) the same (boring) result...;)
Soldiers German Para 3.jpgSoldiers German Para 4.jpgSoldiers German Para 7.jpg
 
The painting by numbers thing is broadly true I suppose but
a bit simplistic. We mustn't diminish historical figures merely
because their colours are prescribed and don't make enough
demands on our imagination. It's perfectly possible to render
common colours (red and blue for arguments sake) uniquely
while maintaining their relative authenticity. The trick is to mix
each tone with a sharp eye for harmony and mood.......in arty
farty terms it's an approach called 'tonalism'. Sometimes fine
art techniques can add much to our painting armament.
Mike
 
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