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Whilst I understand that the inspiration is from "PR" material, the reality is much closer to that alluded to by Jimmy S - there was very little that was glamorous about NI then or now.

I'm sorry Martin64, by using the word nastiness I was attempting to be polite... this is not about dogma, it is about the subject matter and the memories, (non-combatants being disappeared, or if fortunate found in ditches, car parks and elsewhere either badly beaten, knee capped or worse for "offences" such as smiling at a squaddie, never mind what happened to members of the security services), associated with it for me and others. And yes, warfare has and always will be brutal and horrific...

As I have said already - a v nice sculpt and one very much not for my tastes, though I'm sure others will enjoy both the build and painting of the figure.
 
Nice work on the body and the gun.
Folds of the uniform are looking a bit strange(unless those are folds of the posed model and we see the neutral pose) , but that is not the only problem - if you want to print this - you will have a really big problems with the uniform sculpted this way.
Sculpting for printing differs from sculpting for illustration or gaming, I suggest You research it a bit - there are many resources online...you can start with "3d printing minimum wall thickness"...

Off course, this is only a "WIP" and you might already know all this, in that case sorry for being "smart ass" ;)
 
Simone-Segouin-the-18-year-old-French-Résistance-fighter-1944-small.jpg What about Simone Segouin as a piece to sculpt Mark
 
Politics or not politics, she has got very nice legs. I cant believe this has not swayed half of the forum to go into howling wolf mode as it usually happens.

I am pretty sure some one will do an ISIS vignette at some point, just to see what **** it stirs. Every one has their map of the world. But the world is rather grey than black and white. Enjoy the hobby, people (before ISIS takes over the world and there will be no miniature) !
 
"My overall goal is to create statues that feel human." Well said! IMO that's the only worthwhile aim of any sculptor - any media, any scale, any subject.

As to the sculpt, I agree with pokrad and others that the drapery in the skirt needs attention. Otherwise a first class digital sculpt. I know it's WIP but I look forward to seeing the "print" or casting.

As to the subject, some viewers will be offended and that's not necessarily a bad thing. I understand the sensitivity of the memories of some of the posters. But you are not celebrating the Provos, IRA or anyone else by using them as a subject. There are many, many commercial SS figures for example, but I don't think any of the folks on this forum celebrate the Nazi cause by painting one of them.

As to the scene-setting and 'humanity' goal, dichotomy maybe? Why not have the figure standing next to the wall with the slogan "Brits Out", holding the Armalite in the right hand and on her hip and a flower that was growing from a crack in the bottom of the wall in her left hand. You could leave a couple more flowers in the crack. She could be looking down at the flower, frowning a bit with furrowed brow. Probably too simple, but just my suggestion.

All the best,
Dan
 
I don't see a problem sculpting this kind of figure, after all it is part of history. You don't hear anybody complaining when a new SS figure is being produced and they were a lot worse than the IRA.

Brian
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Some of us have stopped so commenting because of the abuse we have received for so doing.

As regards this figure, it has been beautifully rendered, but as regards the politics, I would suggest that events that occur within living memory tend to leave raw emotions. The USA never really realised what the IRA were up to until 9/11 (not that the UDA were any better). Several of my friends in the medical and nursing professions looked after the victims of IRA bombings in London and would not necessarily agree that this is a part of history worth glamorising.

"Dolours Price, his glamorous fellow IRA terrorist revealed she had been a member of The Unknowns, and had driven the young mother across the border into the Republic of Ireland before she was murdered".

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2994221/Is-proof-killer-15-000-word-expose-respected-New-Yorker-magazine-makes-devastating-claims-Gerry-Adams.html#ixzz3UY3TheHq

How about converting this into a female SOE agent instead?

Mike
 
Why is there so much negative rhetoric being spent on this figure when we all belong to a community of artists that paints hundreds of SS figures a year???
Its a beautifully rendered piece of history...save the politics for the pubs.
 
Why is there so much negative rhetoric being spent on this figure when we all belong to a community of artists that paints hundreds of SS figures a year???
Its a beautifully rendered piece of history...save the politics for the pubs.
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I suspect that is not an opinion that would carry much weight this side of the pond. You forget that many of us lived through several IRA bombing campaigns (including several attempts to blow up our Prime Minister), and many of us see things with a different perspective to our N American friends. As regards the SS, see my comment above.

Mike
 
Having served in N.I. and seen first hand the violence on all sides and having lost good friends to it, I am more annoyed by posters telling me what I should feel about it than the figure. Its a good sculpt set in what to some is a bad time, there is no need to give any more weight to it than that. Like I said don't like it don't buy it, find fault with the sculpt not the subject all the pontifacting in the world won't bring the dead back or right a single wrong.

TLDR buy it or don't your choice

Steve
 
Clearly it's an emotive and controversial subject for some (understandably so), and people are going to have different views on it. But the bottom line is that pF is a modelling forum not a politics forum. There are plenty of other places on the www to discuss the rights & wrongs of who did what, where and when.

End of the day - and from a purely artistic point of view, leaving all the politics aside - this looks like a very well rendered figure, and a few tweaks and different weapons could easily transform it into a number of different subjects (female SOE agent as Mike suggested, Cuban revolutionary, French FFI, Yugoslav partisan ...).

As other posters have said, buy it or don't buy it, the choice is yours. But let's try and keep the discussion civil fellas, please.

- Steve
 
Geoff,
The problem is not the forum but people who feel compelled to interject politics and age old animosity into it.
As I stated, I fought the NVA and Viet Cong who used females since US troops were slow to shoot females. A bust of a Viet Cong female fighter was posted awhile ago and while I would never buy it...I did not vilify the artist. Your absence from PF would be a loss to us all...please reconsider.
Perhaps we should all keep our comments to the artistry of the work...this is what we are all here for...isn't it.
 
Kevindunne said:
Perhaps we should all keep our comments to the artistry of the work...this is what we are all here for...isn't it.
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And lets aknowledge the fact that certain wounds hurt and they may hurt for a long time and sometimes for ever. And its OK to express that.
Its up to individual to decide to heal them or keep them, but it doesnt make their opinion less valid and I have respect for that now more than I used before.

When there is a strong emotional pull because of values and beliefs, its difficult to restrain not to pass a comment and lets account for this, even if the forum should be dedicated to clay and paint only
 
Nice sculpt and as said the legs are beautifully done on her, I like what you have done with the AR-18. I visited your website and was impressed with a lot of your work on there.
Looking forward to seeing more of your work on here.
All the best
Steve
 
polyphemus said:
I really can't understand the motivation behind this sculpt or the reactions of some of the posters on here. I can only assume it's down to naivety or plain ignorance. These were murdering *******s whose actions had nothing to do with freedom fighters.
I think it's time I quit this forum.

Geoff
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, you might not like it but if you can't tolerate the views of others then I think the problem lies a bit closer to home and maybe you should quit open forums such as this one like you suggested.

I grew up in Belfast during the troubles in the early 70's and also served there as a soldier in the early 90's yet I have no problem with this piece. It is a modelling subject, nothing more or less.
 
polyphemus said:
I really can't understand the motivation behind this sculpt or the reactions of some of the posters on here. I can only assume it's down to naivety or plain ignorance. These were murdering *******s whose actions had nothing to do with freedom fighters.
I think it's time I quit this forum.

Geoff
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I appreciate you calling me naive and ignorant cheers, I agree it is time you quit if that's your attitude to other peoples views
Steve
 
jakbwrhr said:
I'm sorry Martin64, by using the word nastiness I was attempting to be polite... .
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The same on my side when I used the words self righteousness and national hubris... maybe we should agree to disagree while being polite.
And when we are talking about being polite:
A new member showed to us his outstanding efforts and asked for hobby-related feedback. Instead he got a lot of one-sided political BS. IMHO we need more new talented members showing their WIP and others offering their support and knowledge. If there is nothing to say about the quality of the sculpt, anatomy, or to push the like-button etc. there is always the option to NOT post a comment.

Cheers, Martin
 
Getting back to the fig in question...
I think it would look better wearing a ribbed sweater such as the one the woman holding the gun is wearing in the first pic. Or a leather jacket as in the second. Leave the beret for that touch of military/terrorist/freedom fighter/separatist/ murdering thug/rebel/revolutionary look. I would have her with the rifle slung on her right shoulder and her arm resting on it in a relaxed pose, sort of a juxtaposition of a purse and a military weapon. Sort of like this:
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Martin64 said:
The same on my side when I used the words self righteousness and national hubris... maybe we should agree to disagree while being polite.
And when we are talking about being polite:
A new member showed to us his outstanding efforts and asked for hobby-related feedback. Instead he got a lot of one-sided political BS. IMHO we need more new talented members showing their WIP and others offering their support and knowledge. If there is nothing to say about the quality of the sculpt, anatomy, or to push the like-button etc. there is always the option to NOT post a comment.

Cheers, Martin
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So according to Martin we say nothing? oh the doom of civilisations everywhere. Mark asked for comments and he got them. One sided political BS? I think not. Dont see any politicians posting here ......however If you need an example of political BS here it is:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-victims-accuse-former-PM-betraying-them.html

On a personal note: if I had painted or sculpted a figure then posted it here and the subject matter offended even one PF member I would be ripping it down immediately. Just me. Just saying.

On a hobby note I think this will be a commercial disaster, cant see many UK dealers stocking it and the conversion guys will be chopping it up anyway.
 

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