Napoleonic Trumpeter Variations: Pt1.
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Great Idea, but be carefull with the imperial livery.
Reading era text, it's quite sure, trumpetter make their possible to wear their old uniform (helped by their Colonel )
So the Imperial Livery was in the text, but not wear a lot.
Idea.
Good luck for the conversions !!!!!!
Hey Zas thanks for the info but you seem to have misunderstood.
I am producing ALL forms of dress of the French Cavalry trumpeters except hussars because Gordon already has a hussar type figure by Jim Evans.
we will be adding a couple of shako heads too.
So yes, at the moment, these are in Imperial Livery, based on Carl Reids original kit..but when the series is complete, you will be able to have a carabinier for example in 4 different tunics and with Bearskin or helmet.
In this way most forms of trumpeter of cavalry can be represented except in Egypt in Bicorne.
Keep watching my friend all will be revealed.
Paul.
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hi Paul, can i name you in the divorce papers because thats where i will be heading when i start collecting this lot!!!
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will catch up with you at sothwell
tony
.will catch up with you at sothwell
tony
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.hi Paul, can i name you in the divorce papers because thats where i will be heading when I start collecting this lot!!!
will catch up with you at SouthwellTony
Look forward to seeing you mate, thanks for lookimg in.
Paul.
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Wonderful idea , very nicely executed. I hate to mention one technical problem with the trumpet you are using.
It's slightly difficult to make out , but it appears to be made in one loop rather than two. All cavalry field trumpets have tubing that " goes round twice ", otherwise the sounding length of tube would be far too short to sound the calls.
It's slightly difficult to make out , but it appears to be made in one loop rather than two. All cavalry field trumpets have tubing that " goes round twice ", otherwise the sounding length of tube would be far too short to sound the calls.
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Hi Tony the trumpet doubles back round correctly I think under the cord binding.
Hard to see from that angle? I'll put other pictures on later, have another look then.....cheers for looking closely.
.Paul.
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Sorry to be a pain, and presumably you didn't make the trumpet yourself. You can see what I mean clearest in the Benigni Lancer Plate you posted above : there are two parallel tubes visible in the lower yard of the trumpet, the one without the binding on it. I just thought that if you were gong to cast these, it would be best to get it corrected before doing so.
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Aaaah I hadn't spotted that, cheers Tony.
It's too late for the existing kit, but not for the others, I don't know how we can get around this before Euromilitaire release.
Thanks for that though
Paul.
Can we get some good pictures of what the trumpet should look like ?
...reason ..I am thinkng odf starting mine
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...reason ..I am thinkng odf starting mine
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Here are some examples of cavalry trumpets , and some explanation, which I hope will be generally helpful .
Trumpets were originally rather long instruments, about 30” overall, like the ones still used for ceremonial by the Lifeguards in State Dress. They are formed in one loop, which makes them nice to look at but somewhat fragile and inconvenient to handle on horseback.The total length of tubing of seven feet allows a lot of notes, and gives the characteristic rasping tone used for calls, which were sounded on the lower notes .
From about 1750, all European cavalry started to use twice-wound “ short model “ trumpets when on campaign , which are much more robust and markedly shorter, at around 18” overall , though of course the length of tubing is the same.
Here’s one from 1815, an ornamental one carried by the 12th Light Dragoons:
And a typical British issue pattern from a little later, by Potter’s of Aldershot. Both these have the bell extending to the front bow, the usual British style.
Another pattern has the bell extending beyond the front bow, like this one of mine ( Boosey & Hawkes, modern ), shown here with a Bb Duty Bugle ( sorry, it needs cleaning ! ). In both the Bugle and the Trumpet the tube goes around twice, which is the point I was making in the first place.
And here’s a 19c French one, which seems to be identical to the Napoleonic period pattern which you are portraying :
Just as an afterthought , Trumpets should not be confused with Bugles, though in fact the two have done rather a lot of interbreeding , particularly in the US.
Historically , the Trumpet was for cavalry , and goes back to the Ctrusades. The Bugle was a much later arrival, around 1780 ,used originaly by Jaeger and Light Infantry.
The Trumpet is LONG, the Bugle is SHORT, which affects the number of notes they can play , and thus the calls they can sound .
Enough...
Trumpets were originally rather long instruments, about 30” overall, like the ones still used for ceremonial by the Lifeguards in State Dress. They are formed in one loop, which makes them nice to look at but somewhat fragile and inconvenient to handle on horseback.The total length of tubing of seven feet allows a lot of notes, and gives the characteristic rasping tone used for calls, which were sounded on the lower notes .
From about 1750, all European cavalry started to use twice-wound “ short model “ trumpets when on campaign , which are much more robust and markedly shorter, at around 18” overall , though of course the length of tubing is the same.
Here’s one from 1815, an ornamental one carried by the 12th Light Dragoons:
And a typical British issue pattern from a little later, by Potter’s of Aldershot. Both these have the bell extending to the front bow, the usual British style.
Another pattern has the bell extending beyond the front bow, like this one of mine ( Boosey & Hawkes, modern ), shown here with a Bb Duty Bugle ( sorry, it needs cleaning ! ). In both the Bugle and the Trumpet the tube goes around twice, which is the point I was making in the first place.
And here’s a 19c French one, which seems to be identical to the Napoleonic period pattern which you are portraying :
Just as an afterthought , Trumpets should not be confused with Bugles, though in fact the two have done rather a lot of interbreeding , particularly in the US.
Historically , the Trumpet was for cavalry , and goes back to the Ctrusades. The Bugle was a much later arrival, around 1780 ,used originaly by Jaeger and Light Infantry.
The Trumpet is LONG, the Bugle is SHORT, which affects the number of notes they can play , and thus the calls they can sound .
Enough...
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Super thanks,
I can work with that.
No wonder they wrapped em in cord to pretty them up is it!
Thanks a bunch
Paul.
I can work with that.
No wonder they wrapped em in cord to pretty them up is it!
Thanks a bunch
Paul.
Great work Paul this is a very interesting project you are working on I', sure Gordon will be very happy with the results great work.
Cheers
ian
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Cheers
ian
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Ok here's the next two head variants for the imperial livery bodird trumpeter.
Please double click to see them the right way up.
Dragoon helmet with closed chin scales will be with both a feathered plume and squadron disc.
The 'onion and hair tuft' for the front of the crest have been left off for this wip photo.
Next: Chevaux legeres lanciers de ligne regts 7-9 in Czsapska
Next update Part 2.
Different tunics to go with these heads.
Paul
Please double click to see them the right way up.
Dragoon helmet with closed chin scales will be with both a feathered plume and squadron disc.
The 'onion and hair tuft' for the front of the crest have been left off for this wip photo.
Next: Chevaux legeres lanciers de ligne regts 7-9 in Czsapska
Next update Part 2.
Different tunics to go with these heads.
Paul
peedee
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Cheers Ian, thanks for that.
To be honest we where just gonna do three, and then thought,
If we do them all you can swap them out and more or less make anything.
So much fun too for me.
Paul
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Don't believe him Ian. He thought if I play about with these I will not have to touch my Waterloo diorama.
peedee
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Oh goodie Tom's doing a Waterloo diorama too.
Enjoy the interbranch on Saturday Tom.
See you in October
Paul.
