Nemrod Knight

[Dave Ward]

Nap,
I'm still undecided about the base - the temporary one he's mounted on at the moment is a reject ( hole drilled off centre & not vertical! ) I fancy a thicker 'post', maybe a pillar style, but I'll have to think on that!
Cheers
Dave

 

[NeilW]

I may need to just trim the bottom edge of the shield, to follow the cotton line of the bust.......................

Good work: do try to keep the whole shield if you can (angle it a bit more?)

Nap's idea of using the kit's on the base could be good (if you can stand painting the same design twice!)

Where you repaired the break think it needs more sanding back

Nap's right

 

[Dave Ward]

It's only when you blow the pictures up to huge size, that you can see the flaws ( that's my excuse anyway! )
Dave

 

[Richard Baxter]

There's some fascinating info emerging with this thread, incredible scholarship and research. Nap, is there any facility on this site to marshal all of these links, diagrams, etc into a library folder for ease of future access by others? It would be easier than having to search for the original post and subsequent thread.

 

[NeilW]

There's some fascinating info emerging with this thread, incredible scholarship and research. Nap, is there any facility on this site to marshal all of these links, diagrams, etc into a library folder for ease of future access by others? It would be easier than having to search for the original post and subsequent thread.

Well, there is this: https://www.planetfigure.com/forums/historical-references-literature-media-review.27/

... but it seems barely used (with honourable exceptions, eg Yellowcat is a regular poster of Samurai material). Part of the problem is that the discussions are often generated 'live' due to a current WiP or critique. I don't know if Nap/admin have some way of migrating material?

Organising it into period and/or subject folders may make things easier?

 

[Dave Ward]

A simple resin bust seems to have generated a lot of interest!!
Cynically, I'd put it down to captive audiences, but many thanks for everyone who has added references
Forum references are sadly ill-visited, no doubt due to the easy access to the vast reservoir of knowledge of the internet. These days, it may be a case of not knowing the answer, but knowing how & where to find the answer - who could imagine that the esoteric world of Medieval Shields/Heraldry could be accessed by anyone with a computer?
I cut a new shield from 1 mm plastic card, poured boiling water on it & gently formed it into a curve ( around the bottom of a coffee jar! ) . The original shield, not only being too small also looked to curved to my eyes

I've primed it grey, and will obviously have to basecoat suitably for the heraldry. Of course, red & yellow are two of the most difficult colours to paint/overpaint in an area. The shield is quite easy, but that has to be repeated on his surcoat.....................
Still haven't decided which knight to depict!
Dave

 

[Dave Ward]

A lovely sunny morning in Gloucestershire, I fired up the compressor & sprayed the metallic areas. I masked the surcoat/face with masking fluid.

I drilled 2 x 0.4mm holes & added pins to the side of the helmet, to give a positive location to the visor

I used a 0.2 mm airbrush, spraying at 1.25bar ( 20psi ). AK 3rd Generation Acrylic Natural Steel thinned with AK thinners

I might have found my subject - Roger Bigod, 5th Earl of Norfolk - he wasn't at Agincourt, but was contemporary

Still looking ........................
Dave

 

[Dave Ward]

Neil,
I'm not a masochist!! I think that you would have to source decals for a project like that, unless you had the skills of a Hilliard!
Dave

 

[Dave Ward]

Hmm - missed a century out somehow! It looks like Thomas Camoys - my very first idea, on page 1 of the thread has suddenly reappeared! Oddly enough, I looked at Thomas Chaucer - but there are two crests, one with a rampant lion, the other as above - and read that he had returned to England ill, before Agincourt! The Staffords - the 5th Earl died in 1403 ( Battle of Shrewsbury ), his father, Hugh before him ( 2nd Earl ). It seems that later research has put some of these guys elsewhere ( or dead! ) in 1415
Dave

 

[NeilW]

Hi Dave,

Yes, old sources can be confused and confusing (I know as I used to drink with a pair of medieval/early modern historians and at times could barely understand their conversations with their references to Middle English, Anglo-French and Medieval Latin).

Ref Chaucer's arms: Geoffrey's was certainly the one above and, as his son, Thomas would have used it, at first with a label as a mark of cadency to show his position as his eldest son and then on his death (1400) undifferenced. It seems that he adopted the other upon his marriage (said to be early in his life, so presumably well before Agincourt) to Sir John Burhersh's daughter, Matilda, presumably feeling that this carried more status. I think that he could technically use either version.

Although Wiki (unreferenced) states that he wasn't, the Dictionary of National Biography says that: The next year [1415] ne (sic) served with the king in France, bringing into the field twelve men-at-arms and thirty-seven archers, and was present at the battle of Agincourt.

Of course this may be a fiction and it's difficult to prove either version.

Regarding the Staffords: yes, it's difficult to find any of the many Staffords who would have been at Agincourt: we can probably put this one down to Shakespeare's dodgy history

BoL with your quest,

Neil

 

[Dave Ward]

To save anymore dithering, I'm going to say Edmund, 5th Earl of Stafford - at the Battle of Shrewsbury 1403

Dave

 

[NeilW]

Go for it Dave!

The only thing I'd say is that as it's a single charge, you could make the chevron rise higher/more acute than the ref you give. Check out the Fenwick Roll and other refs.

Or you could still make it Agincourt and use the 'Gules a chevron or' version that's on the Fenwick Roll (though I can't see who it is... it should be traceable). Personally I think this is more aesthetically pleasing.

Neil

 

[Nap]

There's some fascinating info emerging with this thread, incredible scholarship and research. Nap, is there any facility on this site to marshal all of these links, diagrams, etc into a library folder for ease of future access by others? It would be easier than having to search for the original post and subsequent thread.

Hi Richard

Saw and and was checking out things ..yes the posts can be moved to the reference section but will not show in this thread

So if Dave is happy I can move all with pictures and links in

Putting the link to the reference folder here


Dave ...let me know

Nap

 

[Dave Ward]

Nap,
no problem - I've chosen my knight ( masked & drying at the moment! ), so transfer the files!
Dave

 

[Nap]

Nap,
no problem - I've chosen my knight ( masked & drying at the moment! ), so transfer the files!
Dave

Cheers Dave will do so once I have the file ready

Which knight did you choose ?

Nap

 

[Dave Ward]

Edmund, 5th Earl of Stafford 1377-1403 - killed at Battle of Shrewsbury
Dave

 

[NeilW]

Putting the link to the reference folder here

Where?

 

[Nap]

Where?

Now moved to here:

https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/various-heraldry-links-and-details.235373/

Nap

 

[DaddyO]

Hi Dave

Just a couple of suggestions about the yellow (which I assume you will paint everything first and then add the red chevron?)
You'll find that yellow will look better over a white prime coat (You can use a darker one, but it will take more coats of paint) a quick coat of white with a brush will make a difference (It doesn't have to be perfect)

I also found that adding a bit of Off white or very light grey to the base coat mixes makes it more opaque and easier to work with without affecting the colour value noticeably.

Final tip is to use a purple or purple/grey mix for the shadows which saves them turning green and adds so 'life' to the colour

Hope that helps
All the best
Paul

 

[Dave Ward]

Here's the state of play at the moment - the majority of the paintwork is done (apart from the face! )

There are a few areas that need touching up & I'll need to do some light washes on the surcoat - belt - shoulder armour.
Colours used - Vallejo Golden Yellow & AK3 Blood Red, masked over yellow & red primer - all brush painted
I've done a bit of masked painting on wingy things............

and sorting out colour sequences to avoid colour bleed through has been learned through bitter experience ( ICM 1/48 Henschel Hs 126 - Condor Legion )
Dave