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[TADATSUGU]

Breath well and truely taken away by the mounted officer. The trumpter less so - similar pose to many others in the MM catalogue. Bruno's mounted pieces do however seem to be getting even better and the pose of this one is so natural, for both the horse and rider. MM models just look so - well, Napoleonic!
On a related thread, Tecumseh has privately discussed with me his hopes of someday seeing Bruno produce some Kettle Drummers, which would be superb, How about it Bruno? -No pressure!

For those unfamiliar with the Artillary Train, Blind Pew is right. It should be a darker blue than the box art implies but it should be a grey/blue mix, which was commonly known as iron-grey, not a pure blue. The exact shade is not critical, although mass produced as Peedee says, dyes would have varied and been less stable than today. A general impression of the colour is what to go for, as shown for the pontonnier in Peedee's post.

 

[peedee]

Quote "For those unfamiliar with the Artillary Train, Blind Pew is right. It should be a darker blue than the box art implies but it should be a grey/blue mix, which was commonly known as iron-grey, not a pure blue."

My friend would you please check your references.
The mm figure is Arrty train of the guard.
I'm sure I remember a colour difference in jacket colour between line train,
iron grey face indigo and Guard Train grey blue faced indigo.

Once again I'm in work and can't check till I'm home !

Paul

 

[Blind Pew]

Breath well and truely taken away by the mounted officer. The trumpter less so - similar pose to many others in the MM catalogue. Bruno's mounted pieces do however seem to be getting even better and the pose of this one is so natural, for both the horse and rider. MM models just look so - well, Napoleonic!
On a related thread, Tecumseh has privately discussed with me his hopes of someday seeing Bruno produce some Kettle Drummers, which would be superb, How about it Bruno? -No pressure!

For those unfamiliar with the Artillary Train, Blind Pew is right. It should be a darker blue than the box art implies but it should be a grey/blue mix, which was commonly known as iron-grey, not a pure blue. The exact shade is not critical, although mass produced as Peedee says, dyes would have varied and been less stable than today. A general impression of the colour is what to go for, as shown for the pontonnier in Peedee's post.

it's just as well he hasn't done any kettledrummers - it would drive me made until I owned one!

 

[TADATSUGU]

Hi Peedee,
Without going to town on this, Rousselot refers to both the Guard an Line uniforms as Iron-grey.
Michael Head's Almark book on Artillary (pub 1977), states "the uniform of the Line Artillary Train personnel was basically the same steel grey colour of the Guard Train (pg 41).
The Histoire Collections book 10 on the imperial Guard by Andre Jouineau also refers to Iron-Grey. He elsewhere refers to the shako's being covered in "steel grey cloth" and that, "When the Guard Wagon Trains were created the prescribed uniform was that of the Line Wagon Train...distinguished from the line (by) an eagle stampted white metal plate..turnbacks decorated with an eagle and Guard buttons (my contractions of the full text). He also states that "the officers wore an iron grey "a la chasseur" coat which one supposes was paler than that of the Artillary Train, but this remains unattested".
Maybe this accounts for the MM box art? He later, on page 43, clarifies that the Line Artillary officers wore a lighter shade of coat than the rank, which accounts for his earlier supposition.

For the record, I always check reference before posting, my purpose is to be of help to those without readily available resources. Maybe your references are different. The point I was trying to make was that the Artillary Train uniforms are not that well supported by actual surviving items, and would not have been scrupulously quality tested for their shades. Furthermore, the representation of cloth in paint is never going to be 100% acurate. What would be the difference between your iron grey and grey blue in practical terms?

I'm sorry if I sound conforntational here Peedee. I do not intend to be, but the tone of your reply suggested that you had an issue with my posting. I am sure that we all just want to be constructive and maybe my style of writing just reads badly.

 

[peedee]

I would also use the same refs if at home, and come up with the same resuit .
The shako plate was the obvious one I knew but the finer officer cloth being lighter was what was in my mind.
When your brain juggles the uniforms in your memoery, it happens.
I also just looked at a super aquarelle of rousellot showing an adjutant mounted.
I really like this painting variant. But this thread is not giving me the option of showing it today, so sorry
Thanks very much for that, it's still a lovely uniform even for rank and file isn't it
Paul

 

[peedee]

There now that's a nice variant isn't it

Paul

 

[TADATSUGU]

Sure is Peedee. Is that orange colour Aurore? The Rousselot plates show a few examples of sous-officers 1809-1815 with what appear to be similar colours (plate 11 -13) but no comment on it in the text. All goes to show that contempory sources do allow for a vast amount of variation from regulations where personal taste and finances allowed. Maybe we should be a bit more ready to accept less ridgidy in them on active service, as long as the reliable evidence does not contradict it.

 

[peedee]

In my opinion it's just 'artillery' red, it's an aquarelle, so it could be Scarlet, as you say it could fade in the sun,
but he's depicted as in 'Grande tenue' so it's full dress I'm sure. I'd paint it slightly darker than scarlet though myself
Cheers Paul

 

[Luis R.]

Here's a preview of MM's new Officier des Chevau-Légers lanciers de la ligne, as seen at Sevres show:

 

[Huw63]

Thanks Luis. Been waiting to see this one. My to get list has just grown!

Regards

Huw

 

[Lasalle]

Wonderful!!

 

[Osvald]

I mean in a figure !!!!! High-quality sculpture, great job.

 

[Huw63]

I love the lancer officer. Does anyone know if and when it will be for sale? I'm checking the website frequently but it's not mentioned there.

 

[Luis R.]

AFAIK, the lancer officer kit was given as a present to those modellers who entered three or more figures to the Sevres show. That means moulds and castings are already done, so I guess it will be available to the general public very soon.

 

[ivopreda]

The lancer is already available, I get my copy in Sevres and if you want it you can order it via MM web site.

Good figure with plenty of possibilities

 

[Huw63]

Thank you Luis and Ivo. I see possibilities here too and in the casting I can feel the influence of Leliepreve. Seems it's not on the website yet so I will mail MM tomorrow.

Cheers

Huw

 

[ivopreda]

Leibovitz probably isn't back home yet. The agreement with Sevres organisation is to don't sell the figure till the end of the show.

Some day and the figure will appear on the web news

 

[Huw63]

Thank you for the information Ivo

 

[Luis R.]

Now available at Metal Modèles site. What a beauty!:

 

[Huw63]

I agree Luis. I'm going to order this and the artillery train officer as soon as I get a chance.