NEW !! Sgt USMC 1836

[IronMike]

The APG has released this new 75mm kit of a US Marine Sgt c 1836. The kit was inspired by a figure done by Bill Horan and paintings by Donna Neary and Don Troiani. The pose was copied from the Horan figure with Bills blessing.

Computer sculpted the kit was designed to be 3d printed. It is highly detailed.

Having trouble with my 3d printer I decided to cast them the old fashion way in silicone rubber and with the standard resin.

To order go to our store at https://artistpreservationgroup.com/store/Sgt-US-Marine-Corps-1836-p653316454

Our site still won't calculate overseas postage so email me at [email protected] to order. I will calculate the postage and notify you of the cost.

All profits from the sales of this figure as well as all other kits from our store go to historical preservation.

Thanks for your support. Mike

 

[sd0324]

Well now, that's really nice.

Steve

 

[Oda]

This is a fascinating creation.The subject is not a very well known one (as far as the period is concerned),the uniform is striking,the sculpting and casting look impeccable and as if all this was not enough there is this "Horanesque" aura about it that really sets off the figure.All in all a marvelous release.

Oda.

 

[Nap]

Hi Mike

That’s a really nice subject , very á la Horan in style as Oda said , certainly looks good painted up

Nice to see a non 3D sculpt as well

If I may ....the artwork has different shoulder details to the resin version ?

With the helmet style would definately be on my want list as a bust ( with the rank showing on arms )

Thanks for sharing

Nap

 

[Jimmy S]

Apart from the scale is it much different to The Lost Battalion Michael Roberts re-release? As Nap points out why the epaulette difference?

 

[Viking Bob]

Very, very nice. Lovely uniform colour too.

 

[clubcat]

Something quite different. Love Bills version and will be a challenge to emulate. A lovely figure
Melanie

 

[Babelfish]

Apart from the scale is it much different to The Lost Battalion Michael Roberts re-release?

This one is smaller and more expensive (!) although (arguably) it's slightly more refined. But there's not much in it - the MR/LB 120mm piece is still a very handsome figure, and other than the scale they are very similar.

If I didn't already have the MR piece I might have been tempted by this one, although for a 75mm foot figure it's relatively expensive to start with at $59.95 and I suspect that the cost of shipping plus import taxes to the UK would have probably killed it.

- Steve

 

[MalcC]

Well now, that's really nice.

Steve

Ditto, that is a superb figure.

Malc

 

[Viking Bob]

Hi Mike

That’s a really nice subject , very á la Horan in style as Oda said , certainly looks good painted up

Nice to see a non 3D sculpt as well

If I may ....the artwork has different shoulder details to the resin version ?

With the helmet style would definately be on my want list as a bust ( with the rank showing on arms )

Thanks for sharing

Nap

I may be wrong but the painted version looks like Bill's original and the resin is the APG own figure. the hand on the weapon is slightly differen,t as is the hand on the peak.

 

[F Troop]

Gott'a wade in one this one.

Yes, it is slightly different than Troiani's print and Bill's original. I just got my figure assembled and primed....still have a bit of detail cleanup before painting.

The APG figure is a very good representation of an 1836 Marine based on the USMC 1833 uniform Regs & March 1836 Uniform Change Order. The shoulder wings as molded on the APG figure are correct. The epaulettes shown in the print are wrong. (Epaulettes were allowed to be worn by Sargent Majors & Quartermaster Sergeants only, left shoulder in addition to a red sash)


The four chevrons are not rank insignia. Per Regs, Marines were allowed to wear one chevron for every four years of faithful service, i.e. the print and Bill Horan original would represent a Marine with 16 years service. We would refer to them as "hash marks"

IAW the March 1836 Order, sergeants' rank would be indicated by one chevron, point up, above the elbow on each arm. Corporals would wear one chevron, point up below the elbow on each arm. Lance corporals would wear a diagonal stripe on the lower arm, slanting upwards, seam to seam.

Trousers: Summer wear would be White, no stripe. Winter trousers Grey with a Buff stripe as correctly molded on the APG figure. Only sergeants were allowed to wear the buff strip which along with the three-button sleeve tabs. (corporals wore only two-button tabs and no trouser stripes) So, if you want to do summer, white uniform trousers you need to remove the molded on stripe.

Tunic Color: According to what I have read so far, green dyed USMC uniforms had very poor quality control with a lot of variations' in the final color, so you have a lot of flexibility in your choice of Grass Green and if the Color Police challenge you just ask them to show you an original piece of the uniform! Piping is Buff, not White

Underside of the visor should be green and the photo's I've seen of the leather shako have a slightly domed top and the plume attaches with a brass ball mounting device

My figure needed a fair amount of cleanup and gap filling around the arm & waist joints and casting lines especially with the clothing folds on the inner left leg. I thought the cross belt details around the waist was a little soft so I build mine up a bit with Magic Sculpt. The shako and face details are excellent.

So, some work is required but the figure should paint up nicely and I definitely recommend getting one while you can. Only 100 copies will be cast.

Can't comment on the pointy index finger......like the original's better

 

[F Troop]

Here's another pic that may help. Note the bell top to the shako

Post March 24, 1836 Order, the sergeant on the left would wear a single chevron, point up above the elbow (note 3-button cuff and trouser stripe). Corporal would be wearing a single chevron, point up below the elbow ( note 2-button cuff and no trouser stripe)

Orderly Sergeant in the rear authorized to wear a sash

This appears to me to be an 1833 Regs uniform

 

[garyjd]

I think it usual to comment on the price of a kit made 10+ years ago verses a smaller scale kit made today. Unfortunately, unless it's a flea market environment good luck paying 2000 or 1990s prices for a figure. Look at any number of online vendors and you may get a healthy dose of sticker shock. As for the accuracy or lack thereof in a kit, it's only as accurate as the scholarship available at the time allows and what the sculptor has available and or cares to put into a kit. Some uniforms may have seen a number of minor changes here and there just in the space of a handful of years.

 

[Babelfish]

Gott'a wade in one this one.

Yes, it is slightly different than Troiani's print and Bill's original [rest of post snipped for brevity]

It seems a bit strange doesn't it that APG are using a slightly different figure as their box art, rather than the actual figure that they're selling.

Also thanks for all the additional info. Very useful for both this one and the MR/LB one.

I think it usual to comment on the price of a kit made 10+ years ago verses a smaller scale kit made today. Unfortunately, unless it's a flea market environment good luck paying 2000 or 1990s prices for a figure. Look at any number of online vendors and you may get a healthy dose of sticker shock.

I suspect you meant unusual, to which my response would be: Why? Bottom line is that this one in 75 mm is selling at $59.95 today, while the MB/LB one in 120mm is selling at $40.95 (also today). That's both a fact and a legitimate comparison.

We all know that prices across the board have gone up over the past 20-odd years, but my point was that even today, $59.95 for as single 75mm foot figure is still expensive. As always, I guess it boils down to how badly you want one.

- Steve

 

[garyjd]

Thanks for catching the typo. As for kit prices maybe the vendor of the larger kit chose their selling price as it is a much older kit which more than likely peaked at the numbers that could be sold when it was produced by a former vendor/owner. If instead 0f $40.95 they raised the price (because size matters) to $80.95, would that be a less bitter pill to swallow shelling out $59.95 for the 75mm one? I doubt they'd sell many or possibly any at that price for a much older figure. Name most big names producing figures and you'll find that this figure is a buy compared to the pricing on their 75s. So yeah, it comes down to voting with your wallet as to where your money goes, something we do often.

 

[Steve headley]

Hi I thought I would just put my thoughts on it .( I’m standing in for Steve who is recovering from I serious bout Of I’ll health).what you have to remember is that the cost of the master and production costs have to be taken into account. When the figure is released it’s in the lap of the gods as to how meany you sell.

I’m sure mike took into account all the costs involved and priced it to make a profit. (The profits from this figure go to the APG) Any profits will come after he has sold enough to cover the production costs. It’s a different subject and one that will appeal to those who want something different to add to their collection.

As to the larger figure. It has been around some time and had its day in the sun. That will be why the price is different. It could be the last of the old stock that needs to be sold hence the price difference.

As Gary says it’s the choice of the customer weather they wish to buy it or not. But I can think of a couple of companies that charge a hell of a lot more for a 75mm and people still buy from them. So I don’t think it’s out of line with others out thier if people want it they will buy it.

I have to say Greg Girault did a great job on this.

Terry

TFB Miniatures Team

 

[IronMike]

FYI The figure was sculpted on a computer and it was not done by Greg Girault.

This figure was done as a test to see if we could realize enough profit to justify the expense and work on my part. We have another being sculpted and we will play it by ear.

 

[Steve headley]

Hi mike I must apologise for the mix up we honestly thought it was Greg. Well we live and learn no matter it’s still a great figure we’ll done.

Terry

TFB Miniatures Team