Poll: How important is historical accuracy to you?

[Oda]

I think that anyone who wants to make a living out of manufacturing miniatures should take a lot of time gathering evidence,planning and designing,putting his plans up for possible corrections and adjustments and after all that, he should just stand behind his creation and take any criticism graciously.Giving the sculptors a free hand,producing subjects just because they are popular without taking time to correct them and taking the enthusiasm out of the hobby,only caring about money are bad advisors in our field.After witnessing-to my astonishment-the havoc which is created with every new release-sometimes full of hard personal feelings-and if a concensus must be reached I think Martin's proposal is a decent basis for a mutually compromising arrangement.

Oda.

 

[BESPJL]

Ideally I'd vote somewhere in between the first two categories. I enjoy historical accuracy and using the history of an incident or situation to create a figure is very important to me. But historical accuracy without pizazz, originality and quality makes any figure less appealing.

All the best,
Dan

I'm like Dan somewhere between the first two categories.

 

[Red Five]

I like cavalry figures mainly because I can often be seen galloping in the countryside. The main thing I dislike is a mounted figure with an off balance riding position with poor attention to the tack.

Lots and lots of figures have this issue. Stirrups too long, feet tipping back when body is leaning forward. Toes down for the wrong reasons. Tight martingale. Reigns flying all over the place.

 

[smudger1960]

 

[Ferris]

It's a funny picture, but perhaps it is better to keep this poll about personal preferences, without making fun of other's preferences?

Given the tar-and-feathers treatment sometimes given to supposed rivet counters I'm surprised so few have voted option 4 or 5.

Cheers,
Adrian

 

[smudger1960]

It's a funny picture, but perhaps it is better to keep this poll about personal preferences, without making fun of other's preferences?



Given the tar-and-feathers treatment sometimes given to supposed rivet counters I'm surprised so few have voted option 4 or 5.



Cheers,

Adrian

it wasn't posted to make fun of anyone adrian

 

[Ferris]

Thought it was about Red Five's comment Brian. Sorry for misinterpreting...!

 

[Ray Stout]

Red 5 has a valid point. None of the figures are cheap these days, and I would hope that some of the Sculptor's attention to detail goes toward a true and accurate portraial of the figure. How many of us would complain if a figure's basic anatomy was wrong? So it is with a correct seat when riding. These are NOT Toy Soldiers, so if you're going to portray a figure on horseback, give those details the same amount of attention as the Uniform. Ray

 

[jonsteed47]

I h;ve been trying to do historic'l figures since the 70's but it 'llw'ys something stopping me from doing either it w's work or my l'te mother now th't I h've the time m'ybe now I will do some of them but which period ?

 

[smudger1960]

I agree with historical accuracy to a point,what I don't like and there's a few on this site are rivet counters,people need to remember this is a Modeling forum,you are never going to get everything right every time,people like red 5 need to find themselves a different sort of forum because this is'nt it.
Also when people start spouting off and picking faults with others work,how about we see some of their work if there so bloody good.
Letting off steam a little here,I'm sick to death with these sort of people,we don't need them on this site

 

[smudger1960]

What's galloping through the countryside got to do with Modeling FFS

 

[Nap]

Hi Guys


It is in my opinion nice to be able to get things accurate ( am I a rivet counter ..not in my opinion) , members are entitled to their own thoughts and how far they go to get the accuracy they want but for me this forum is about us all enjoying the HOBBY we all love on this forum .

A perfect example of this forum was me repainting my Tommy double bust stripes after details from a very helpful member I could have left it but I changed them and learnt something .

I personally wouldn't know how to get on a horse yet alone which way to sit ...now there's an image for you ..lol

Nap

( Happy doing what I like)

 

[Martin64]

there are always two sides of a medal - necessary simplification or artistic license while representing a real life subject in a different scale and the inability to get things right while others can - likewise the willingness to discuss pieces on a forum about modelling based on facts against the view that an artist or businessman deserves nothing but likes over here when he puts his work on display - and last but not least the hubris to tell others who belongs as a member to this forum and who FFS has to leave.
High horses take long falls - that`s what can be learned modellingwise - and forumwise - from galloping through the countryside IMHO.

 

[Huw63]

there are always two sides of a medal - necessary simplification or artistic license while representing a real life subject in a different scale and the inability to get things right while others can - likewise the willingness to discuss pieces on a forum about modelling based on facts against the view that an artist or businessman deserves nothing but likes over here when he puts his work on display - and last but not least the hubris to tell others who belongs as a member to this forum and who has to leave.
High horses take long falls - that`s what can be learned modellingwise - and forumwise - from galloping through the countryside IMHO.

What a very wise view very well expressed!

Ich konnte es nicht besser sagen - i couldn't have put it better myself.

Cheers

Huw

 

[Red Five]

I only pointed out to Smudger 1960 the throat lash should be loose on his latest brilliant work of art, something that was offered as a suggestion that would add a bit more dimension to the model. I don't even think it was criticism just a suggestion. What is so bad about that?

I certainly would never critique over technique or ability.

I generally try to work within the limits of the model and not "super detail" but I do "tweak". For example if a strap is moulded flat and it would look better hanging or loose I will re do it to give more dimension. This is why I made the suggestion about the throat lash.

I've actually put a figure I'm doing on WIP, which I did at Smudgers1960's request. A "from the box painjob". He is welcome to tell me how I should do things if he wishes.




Andrew

 

[Martin64]

Andrew, I know how you feel - I rode horses for years and if you by yourself experienced the balance and interaction between two creatures (horse and rider) that is needed especially during dramatic action when body weight etc influence each other - not to speak about anatomy of a horse and what the horse and rider can do and can`t do while a horse is rearing for example -....you start inevitably noticing a lot of mistakes in mounted models - not to speak of horse furniture. length of reigns and stirrups or width of throat lashes.
You will notice that over here at times a helpful advice to improve a feature of the piece on display is embraced by members while others will think of you as a rivet counter.
The only way to not step on the toes of sensitive people that don´t care for comments other that "great" is to not offer helpful information but leave them alone and do what you like.
Cheers, Martin

@ Huw: Danke - Thanks for the comment - as a non-native-speaker it means a lot for me

 

[smudger1960]

I don't critic anyone's work on here,I only give positive comments,I appriciate the hard graft people put in when they put a lot of time and effort into a piece,and it's the positive comments that give members the confidence to go on and improve,people like you just knock people's confidence when you pick tiny faults and dissect every little thing and you contribute nothing positive to the forum.

 

[jonsteed47]

with me right now I would like to finish Verlinden 120mm British Inf. ww2 -western desert front but I h'd never m'de ' rifle sling for 'ny of the figures & I c"n not le've it out or c'n I ?

 

[smudger1960]

with me right now I would like to finish Verlinden 120mm British Inf. ww2 -western desert front but I h'd never m'de ' rifle sling for 'ny of the figures & I c"n not le've it out or c'n I ?

Jon,if the piece makes you happy mate then post it up,it doesn't have to be perfect,they're are people who understand such things on here

 

[jonsteed47]

I know th't from p'st experiences with IPMS where they think t'nks move on their own power.