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Id say thats its a lot easier reading than hearing. ;)

Cheers

... I think I know what you mean; I can't understand what Scandinavian people say, but, strangely, with some effort I can perfectly figure out what is said in a printed Norwegian text !!

(an article on Norwegian Mosquito aircraft during WWII by the way)

cheers,

J.
 
i hear some angry about latest euro militaire

guys from auther forums have some problems with the latest EM
are there some guys who have this also

look at the link

http://www.network54.com/Forum/47211/thread/1222089465/Any+photos+from+Euromilitaire+2008-

it is the first time i did not went
but every year i enjoy the show, when i take a good look at the competition i find that every piece that's on the table a masterpiece
every one how made something made it with love and had some fun to make it

i feel the same on the planet
every topic i watch the pictures from figures and i think , man this one is once again a winner

every modeller who made a piece is for me a winner, best of show,
gold ...

greeting and let the good figures roll

duck

Thanks for putting the link there.

Actually only one person there questions the judges decisions, the rest of what is said there is about a decision the organisers made : photographers of other magazines than Military Modelling were not allowed to take pictures it seems, only "Military Modelling" has the exclusive right to publish the "premiere" of images of Euro Militaire 2008; only after MM has published their "Euro militaire 2008 special" can the other magazines use these same pictures for their own publications - I guess they'll be old news by then.

Seems like "Military Modelling" think their "exclusive" Special Issue will sell like hot cakes, but they haven't thought 1 second about the fact that in this way the show is deprived of the publicity or international coverage in other magazines outside England that it needs to survive. Bad, bad marketing strategy. Bad, bad management.

It's a mad world.
 
Thanks for putting the link there.

Actually only one person there questions the judges decisions, the rest of what is said there is about a decision the organisers made : photographers of other magazines than Military Modelling were not allowed to take pictures it seems, only "Military Modelling" has the exclusive right to publish the "premiere" of images of Euro Militaire 2008; only after MM has published their "Euro militaire 2008 special" can the other magazines use these same pictures for their own publications - I guess they'll be old news by then.

Seems like "Military Modelling" think their "exclusive" Special Issue will sell like hot cakes, but they haven't thought 1 second about the fact that in this way the show is deprived of the publicity or international coverage in other magazines outside England that it needs to survive. Bad, bad marketing strategy. Bad, bad management.

It's a mad world.

now I understand why nobody's posting some pictures! Very stupid decision !
 
Mil Mod Euro Special

It seems a shame that the organisers want to go down this route of exclusivity for the photographs of the wonderful models from the show. They, as someone has already pointed out take so long to publish that by the time it is released , are old news.

I believe that as modellers and fans of the hobby that we can strike a blow for the guys who were not allowed to photograph the models for their respective magazines ...

DO NOT BUY THIS SPECIAL....

If you want to see browse in the newsagents but vote with your wallet make in a complete failure and maybe they will think again.

It is a real shame what is happening to Euro Militaire these days where it is purely a business operation for Magicalia, the show used to be run for modellers by modellers , not any more.
Do not get me wrong i had a great time but most of the pleasure was had for free by meeting fellow modellers and spending a weekend in pleasant company.

Just my rant...

Congratulations to all the winners the bar was raised once again !!
 
The way that I see it is this Mil Mod is now owned by MyHobbyStore, they have taken on the magazine to try and get it selling again, people have tried in the past. But it wont sell if you limit the amount of articles that interest everybody. I must admit if there is an AFV article I skip it, Mil Mod tries to cover all aspects of the hobby, but it cant print stuff that is not sent to it.

We all started out buying this magazine and not many of us like the overrunning of mainly AFV stuff in there, but what are you gonna do about it. Ken would gladly put in, more on figures and conversions, but he doesn’t unfortunately, get them sent to him. So looses the following of the figure modellers. Euro Militaire comes along with the magazine and is not as independent as it should be. So because of lower sales of the magazine, so more has to be paid for by the man through the door at Euro and the traders, unfortunately business is business. Another thing that people do forget is that Euro is not a club show, no matter how big it is, they have more overheads on this than say the IMSS, the AMSS, these clubs are glad to make very little profit or even a slight loss. But Euro needs to make a profit to survive, if that means they sell the photo’s, thats what they need to do. But I have some reservations as to how many of the other magazines will buy them after the Mil Mod has already shown them.

I do believe this has not been thought out very well, free advertising is good advertising. If anything, a better method would to have decided which images out of the 2000+ that were taken, Mil Mod were going to print and then let the other Mags have the rest to print, regardless of when, because only Mil Mod do a special on Euro now, and this would mean that they would be showing different photo’s in each of the magazines anyway. At the end of the day, Mil Mod only own them images, they don’t own the models. I think that this could be put down to a little bit of inexperience of the hobby.

So in my mind, not buying the magazine is not the answer. What do you guys want to see in the magazine, its all well and good telling people on the forums what you would like to see, but you should tell Ken. If you want to see a particular item, why not write it yourself and send it in. You want to see pictures of your local show with a write up, then do it and send it in. You go on a visit to a foreign museum, take some pics and do a write up and send it to Ken. He can only say yes or no. There seems to be plenty of people to bash Mil Mod as soon as something goes slightly wrong. But people forget if it wasn’t for Mil Mod there wouldn’t be a Euro Militaire at all now. Support for them both is what is needed. People at the magazine will know you don’t like it if you let them know, they are too busy compiling the magazine to read all the forums for all the comments.

This year saw a massive increase in new judges at Euro and it was a fresh experience from all aspects for me and a welcome change. There always seems to be a problem with the judging no matter what show you go to, but I am not to sure if its all down to the judges really or is it partly down to the recipient of the award. Its a very grey area, as they have to deal with the problem of finding a judge who is competent enough to judge a particular class, but who is willing not to enter that class, so where do you get these judges from, how do you get around this problem, you have more than one judge to cover the class, and at euro most classes will have two-three with people who finish early floating around helping others judge. This being possibly the fairest way to sort this problem out, yes there are some funny decisions made sometimes, but all in all, most of the people on here and other forums, would be happy to receive any award from Euro, but if you have a problem with an award then say so, it will be looked at by the chief judge. I you are not happy with the result you have then ask the judge who judged it, he will gladly explain the results to you. That is what they are there for.

I for one will be buying the Euro special as its a magazine I have been collecting for a long time.

I hope this has not unleashed to much of a can of worms with many of you guys, I for one want to see Euro back on top as a exhibition and competition that is looked upon as one of the great shows that happen every year. Not a benchmark as one of the worst shows to go to. .

Dave
 
may i say.....

like what you were saying Dave; i noticed that there seemed to be less this year in many respects. Perhaps the answer is that these events should be Exhibitions rather than Competetions? as you stated, the main fun was had for free where people met , had a Beer and talked shop.
Seems any event where one thing is elevated above another causes contention. i for one would display for no gain because i paint/model for no gain. Maybe if there was no judging or Medals, the costs may decrease and it could become a Show for Modellers by Modellers? this might encourage new Hobbyists.
guess my question to folks is always; If you are considered to be good, do you really need a Medal to prove it?
As for the magasine, yeah , folks should have a go and write stuff; a mate of mine used to send articles to the old Harbinger magasine and got published a few times. i think that due to the medium of Internet, i dont buy magasines anymore- they end up as clutter and eventually passed on.
best regards to all ---- tim :))
 
Hi Tim

Its always gonna be a hard thing to judge, its funny how you said maybe it should be run by modellers for modellers, thats the way it started, Ray Lamb and Lyn Sangster, now run by mil mod, it was a great show back then, but I think that climate, economy, and the modern world have forced the changes so far......

Dave
 
We all started out buying this magazine and not many of us like the overrunning of mainly AFV stuff in there, but what are you gonna do about it.

10 years ago I stopped buying Military Modelling and I now read magazines with a more figurine-related content. "Figurines" from France is a good one, although the latest issues had fantasy stuff in it ... guess younger painters like the fantasy stuff more ... From what I've seen the American one (Historical Miniatures something ? Help !) is a very good one.

I now and then also buy a magazine on the subject of aircraft when there's a very good in depth building article in it - who can resist a beautiful aircraft model - and even on the subject of panzers when there's an in depth build article on a beautiful tank model in it.

But I don't see the need to keep supporting a magazine which has degraded over time into a cheap publication of very cheap and average quality, that superficially touches on every aspect of modelling without ever offering quality - just superficial cheap rubbish (lack of budget I guess ?), you could say it's become a "tabloid of modelling". I also started with Military Modelling in the late eighties, but I don't see a need for nostalgy when I just get rubbish in return for my money, sorry.

By the way : the best coverage of Euro Militaire I've seen the last ten years was by "Figurines" magazine, I don't know about the American "historical miniatures" magazine as I can't get copies of that overhere (what's the exact name of that magazine, can anyone help me ?). The emphasis of articles and specials about Euro Militaire in Military Modelling was mostly on Panzers and also on Panzers, and then again on Panzers and Panzers; are you surprised that most figurinists don't see a need for buying Military Modelling ?

I understand that you see "Euro militaire" and "Military modelling" as "British Household Names" that are linked - and indeed, MilMod and Euro may have the same owner (? need to verify that though ?) ... but that wasn't the situation in the beginning and during the so-called "golden" years of the event (the '90ies) : actually I believe Historex Agents and Poste Militaire owned Euro Militaire, and MilMod was just a magazine that covered the show each year in it's december issue ...

Anyway : on the subject of the exclusive "Euro Militaire '08 special issue" that MilMod will so kindly bring us three months or so from now - I'm not f#@§ng interested, and it will be 60% about panzers anyway. And yes, I think that if this is the way MilMod and the organizers of Euro are going to run the show - "we're only in it for the money" "business, profits, etc" - they will quickly find out that Euro Militaire, once the best show on earth, has degraded into a side show of only average interest for the figure painter. One might try to do emotional appeals to Mr Ken Jones, or even to Mr Branigan (?) but I'm afraid it won't help, if something has become part of a holding, then in the end it's just the shareholders' profits that count, and that's it. And I'm afraid that this Goose is laying it's last golden eggs and that we will see the end of it in the years to come.

kind regards,

Johan
 
Hi Johan

Thank you, I agree with you, that it needs to take stock of itself, I too wish it was back in the golden era of the modellers for the modellers ...... and I wish Euro too was a modellers show and not a magazine’s show, but that unfortunately can’t be changed. I haven’t bought a Copy of Mil Mod in two years except double to send to a friend in the states. We all know what we want to see, surely we need to be heard ..... being the buying masses. If anything the buying masses are the people who lead the rest of the field, from this point of view we do have our say, I personally want to see Mil Mod produce articles about shows Euro and many other things the way all the others do and maybe not so biased with articles ......

Dave
 
Hi Dave,

... I would like to add one thing : from what I see in the photos the quality of the figures on display at Folketsone is still just as good as it ever was; so, surely the talent is not missing !! Seems that there are dozens of Bill Horans and Derek Hansens these days.
But look here, mate : you guys that put so much effort in these amazingly beautiful figures should stop focusing on Military Modelling as a means to get heard, instead you should photograph your figures, and write a little article to go with the pics, and send everything to other magazines - I think for example Dominique Breffort the editor of "Figurines" will be very glad to get articles from English modelers, no worries about the language, they have translators who do that work.

As for Euro becoming a modellers show again - well, if that Bar where they sell Heineken beer in atrocious but unforgettable plastic "glasses" is still there, and if that bar at the clifton's is still the place to be, well, yes, then it will remain like a gathering of kindred spirits :)

Are you going to Antwerp AMSS next year ? I'm not a member of AMSS, but their figures show is the nearest "good" event for me... maybe we can discuss the matter more in depth there and put the world to rights ? :)
 
If it was that easy

Hi Johan,

I think for example Dominique Breffort the editor of "Figurines" will be very glad to get articles from English modelers, no worries about the language, they have translators who do that work.

If it was that easy... Earlier this year I sent them a show report on the AMSS show,and telling in my mail that I could send them more articles on figure painting, conversion, etc... Now, about 6 months later I still haven't got a reply. Now, my standards might not be of the same high standard you see in Figurines, but at least I would axpest an answer telling why they don't want them. Now they are very impolite I feel, and it doesn't do any good for their reputation.

About Euro : if they don't want to change anything, maybe it's time for a new group of people who still remember the Golden Euro Years to put up a new show? It's always easy to critises, but I haven't heard anyone saying that they can and will do better?

Cheers,

Gino
 
Now, my standards might not be of the same high standard you see in Figurines

Gino,

you're being sarcastic there :) at SBF I saw a 1/16 scale (110mm ?) figure of a Wiking SS panzergrenadier that you painted and it is worth to be published on the front cover of EVERY figure modelling magazine :)

They already had their reporter there in Antwerp I guess as the show did get coverage, but if they would refuse an article on how you painted the Alpine Miniatures panzer grenadier, well I would find that strange and I would ask them why not.

In any case, I, for one, would love to read an article how you painted that figure.
 
thanks

Hello Johan,

Thank you very much for your encouraging words; they make me blush!

As Figurine don't even answer my e-mails I don't know why they don't want my articles. They did publish my show report on the AMSS show though.


In any case, I, for one, would love to read an article how you painted that figure.

Well, the article will be published in a future Military Modelling issue, so you can see it there.

Will you come to the AMSS show next year? We have Bill Horan as special guest, and I think that alone is enough reason to visit the show.

Cheers,

Gino
 
Hello Johan,

Thank you very much for your encouraging words; they make me blush!

As Figurine don't even answer my e-mails I don't know why they don't want my articles. They did publish my show report on the AMSS show though.


In any case, I, for one, would love to read an article how you painted that figure.

Well, the article will be published in a future Military Modelling issue, so you can see it there.

Will you come to the AMSS show next year? We have Bill Horan as special guest, and I think that alone is enough reason to visit the show.

Cheers,

Gino

Gino,

yes, that figure is really very good and I wish I could paint like you !

As for Bill Horan being special guest at a show, and that being a reason for coming to a show :

I once took my father to Folkestone in the 90ies, to show him what euro militaire was like. My father doesn't paint figures himself, he is what you could call an "interested onlooker".
Bill Horan was there too, with some of his 54mm American Civil war soldiers.

I will recall for the rest of my days that my father picked out , among hundreds of other figures, each figure that Bill Horan entered in the competition, without knowing who Bill Horan was, and that he said to me : "now you can say what you want, but look at that, now THAT is a guy who can paint a figure."

That is how good Bill Horan is at painting figures, and yes, I'll come over to Antwerp, and I'll buy you a beer ! ;)
 
AAAAAATCHHOOOO!! (bless you !)

sounds to me having read the threads that the dreaded 'Golden Demon Plague' has hit! :)

Its long been the problem that the Few do not care to listen to the Many; i felt this when i was immersed in the GW hobby. I painted up to 12 hrs a day, lived and breathed the Competitions (G/D), slavishly bought the Mags and generaly spent a fortune!!!
then.... i woke up. the Magasine was a collage of reprints(like many are), the Competition had become a synical Cash Cow/ Marketing exercise with the entry cost spiralling and the 'Judges ' friends/Employees (who had 'resigned' miraculously to reappear in staff shirts later) won each year while not obeying the entry rules. The shops became quieter, the same 6- 10 people each week, people spent less and 'New Releases' became vague and haphazard. Profits for the company dipped. Ya think!??
so the power lies with the money men. US. if quality in a product dips and no-ne cares enough to listen then sadly it will fall by the wayside. of course with the Military Hobby there is a balance to be struck between those who love figures and those who love AFV, not a balance i would care to attempt !! but there are specialist mags for these areas too.
its sad that the attendance appears to have diminished- the entries too but not the quality- . Thats Business! makes you realise why you model; for fun and in your backroom and for your own Cabinet. this is why i do it and with Internet , we can all visit and see the latest works. I still think the entry at Euro is reasonable and will go till it is not!
 
Johan,

The U.S. figure magazine is.. Historical Miniature Magazine done by R & K productions.
It is a good magazine. Right now it is running a little behind schedule but it is an
excellent magazine.

Dee
 
Euro Miliaire

Hi All,

I have been attending Euro for more years than I care to remember. I was a trader there for about 15 years. The show is in terminal decline and maybe it will survive and maybe it won't. But the one thing that is for sure is the attandance is reducing year on year! until we can stop the decline in numbers the show will be surrounded by rumours about collapse.

We all have a resposibility to attend the show we call the best, many years ago the queue was around the Leas on the saturday morning, not anymore!!! We as modellers need to make a huge effort to keep the institution that is Euro Militaire alive!

As for the Competition, it's a game of opinions and always has been. It has always been controversial, ever since i've been attending there has been claims about the winners the losers etc... That is Euro!! It part of the fabric of the institution...

I remember when Ray and Lynne was organising the show, Militray modelling did'nt release pictures for a couple of months after, then they released a show case mag, then Ray and Lynne released Warpaint. It's alway's been corporate and always will be.

But we ALL need to support the show, it's show case!! We must keep this baby alive as long as we can. That means attend...

Sorry if I have offened anyone!

Carl
 
I enjoyed this year's EURO more than ever, certainly more than the past 3-4 years. Ithought the stewarding was good, and there was a distinct improvement in the organisation.
Only one gripe - I ordered my tickets in advance and ended up paying £6 more than if I had bought them on the weekend - surely this is unfair?
 
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