Printers Ink?

[brian]

I've been asked to write a tutorial for a figure magazine on how I paint metals, only thing is I need someone out there to help with a bit of info.The printers ink I use was originally bought from Phil Kessling's The Palette shop in the USA but shut down many moons ago.It came in old style camera spool containers and it had a thick powdery consistency which needs a carrier e.g. Liquin etc or it wouldn't go off.It would be a plus if I could inform folks where they could get it from as without it my technique of painting metal wouldn't work.
The stuff I bought from Phil many moons ago will last a lifetime.
Brian

 

[DEL]

Brian see this old thread http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/question-about-printers-ink.22673/
Maybe Red Lancers ?
I've sent you a pm.
Derek

 

[Don]

Brian perhaps Stu at Stormtoopers can help you out he supplies a very good printers ink. If you want to pop up I can give you some to play with (sorry test).

Don

 

[elgreco]

Brian - we have Printers' Ink in stock - they are not diluted so we can send them out in the mail.
Cheers,
Celine

 

[megroot]

I bought it from Stormtroopers at Euro.
If you put a very small amount off White Spirit on it, it wouldn't dry out.

marc

 

[stu]

Unfortunately brian i dont know what phil's inks where made from. If i remember rightly you do have some of mine. Liquin white spirit are the usual dilutants.

i hope to sort out diluting my inks soon...as undiluted they will dry up pretty fast esp in a nice warm house.

cheers

stu

 

[DEL]

I wonder if Lanolin would work.....Brian's got plenty access to that

 

[Don]

I wonder if Lanolin would work.....Brian's got plenty access to that

Bbhhaaaaah Humbug!

Don

 

[John Bowery]

Red Lancers ink is liquid and quite thin. I also use the solid stuff in film canisters and love them. They are now extremely hard to come by but I can hardly tell where I have used any looking in the can.
Probably never live long enough to use up even a Tenth.
Cheers
John

 

[socko47]

Brian, I emailed Phil about two years ago and he was kind enough to give me the name of the ink. If you came to the MFCA show the last two years I was selling it for the MFCA at the figure registration desk. I repacked the ink into ointment tubes...it was a messy process to say the least. I remember Phil's product in the plastic film cans and it seemed to be more viscous than the product I bought. His was more like soft butter while the product I purchased was like thick honey.
I have found the interest at the show underwhelming though a few people repurchased this year. The smallest you can buy is a 1 lb size.
Handschy oil base etching ink. I bought Pale Gold, Rich Gold, and Silver. Hope this helps.

 

[brian]

Brian, I emailed Phil about two years ago and he was kind enough to give me the name of the ink. If you came to the MFCA show the last two years I was selling it for the MFCA at the figure registration desk. I repacked the ink into ointment tubes...it was a messy process to say the least. I remember Phil's product in the plastic film cans and it seemed to be more viscous than the product I bought. His was more like soft butter while the product I purchased was like thick honey.
I have found the interest at the show underwhelming though a few people repurchased this year. The smallest you can buy is a 1 lb size.
Handschy oil base etching ink. I bought Pale Gold, Rich Gold, and Silver. Hope this helps.

That's the stuff I've got Joe.I use it for finishing off metals as it is very vibrant, especially love the pale gold.I've used the easily available printer's ink which I mix with Liquin and it does the job but Phil's stuff has the edge.IMO.Looks like i'll have to do the tutorial in the "normal" printer's ink which isn't a problem.I just wanted to check the availability before I start on the tutorial.
Thanks for your help in solving this issue Joe.
Brian

 

[brian]

Red Lancers ink is liquid and quite thin. I also use the solid stuff in film canisters and love them. They are now extremely hard to come by but I can hardly tell where I have used any looking in the can.
Probably never live long enough to use up even a Tenth.
Cheers
John

Have you ever ended up with a tiny bit of the stuff on your finger without your knowledge.I did ,and the wife was wondering where the speckles of gold were coming from i.e. a mug,kitchen sink,toilet flush handle etc,etc,It's like nuclear waste.I'll not tell you what she said when she found out it was yours truly!!!!!!!

 

[DEL]

Brian as you know the missus is a keen Calligrapher and uses a lot of gold leaf in her work.
I asked her last night if she ever used gold in powdered form, she produced a small box of powdered 22.9 Carat gold.
Cost.......are you sitting down......I've just regained consciousness.....£98 a gramme......about 1/3 of the weight of a 1 pence.
D

 

[socko47]

Brian, I don't know if I was clear. I bought the same ink that Phil told me he sold ...it was not the same product, at least based on the viscosity!

 

[Meticulous]

Brian, I emailed Phil about two years ago and he was kind enough to give me the name of the ink. If you came to the MFCA show the last two years I was selling it for the MFCA at the figure registration desk.

Might there be a way to purchase some of this via mail (US)?

Thanks.

 

[Waterman]

Del, forgive my ignorance, but would that be the same as the powdered gold that was sold years ago as Rose Gold. I've got a bottle of Rich Gold, Pale Gold, and Silver. I think I may even have a bottle of Copper or Bronze tucked away somewhere. Still good as the day I bought them.

 

[DEL]

Take great care Waterman.....you're skirting the edges of Witchcraft and Alchemy here.
I plucked up my courage and asked her about different golds the other night......2 hours later and a trip to the doctor I'm on antibiotics.
In a nutshell she said that powdered gold comes in everything from gold coloured powder to actual gold powder. Having sneaked a quick look at her 'metallics' I think Rose gold is a colour reference and can apply to any of the types of powder. She only uses the really expensive stuff for very special pieces other than that she uses metallic powders and transfer gold leaf saving real leaf for commissions. (transfer gold is real gold leaf but of a lower Carat and doesn't burnish as well as Gold Leaf. The big advantage is much less waste)
By the way having opened an old chest where she stores stuff I'm astonished at how much is poisonous and there's a packet of Rabbit Skin Glue powder that smells like Satans armpit.
Cheers
Derek
Here's where she gets much of her stuff......it's like something out of Harry Potter
http://www.cornelissen.com/

 

[brian]

Brian as you know the missus is a keen Calligrapher and uses a lot of gold leaf in her work.
I asked her last night if she ever used gold in powdered form, she produced a small box of powdered 22.9 Carat gold.
Cost.......are you sitting down......I've just regained consciousness.....£98 a gramme......about 1/3 of the weight of a 1 pence.
D

Put me down for a couple of kilos Derek lol

 

[polyphemus]

There was a range of metallics sold many, many years ago by Rose Miniatures & I guess that might be where the rose gold name comes from. Rose Miniatures ceased production over 30 years ago and if what Waterman has are from that range then it's a pretty good testament to the product. I think they also marketed a special paint medium to use with the metallics.
I knew I should have bought some at the time!

Geoff

 

[Waterman]

Thanks Del for your answer, I guess mine is just powder. You Geoff are exactly right, this stuff was from Rose Miniatures, I did have a bottle of the medium but that has been lost somewhere. I suspect it was just a clear varnish, but white spirit or Liquin works just as well. The stuff lasts for ever, and to be honest I have found it to be the easiest to use, and has given me personally the best results. I still have some of their jars of colours in a tin somewhere, but I would imagine that they will not be a lot of good by now. I first started with their figures years ago, but at the time struggling to bring up a family, I found them expensive, but that was all there was where I lived. Then I started buying military modeller, it was such a small magazine, and in black and white, the only colour was the picture on the cover. Might still have some of them kicking about in the loft.