questions on 3D printing and effect on the hobby industry

[JackG]

I'll be the first to admit I'm not a sculptor. My only exposure to it firsthand was in art college when studying the human form. We did some wax figure classes, as well as an assignment on relief sculpting in clay.

From that experience, I think I can see a certain point that Wayne is making - that is, computer generated sculpting is less physically hands on by the artist. Sure, one still has to touch keys on the keyboard, it takes time, and certainly is still an expression of creativity, but you are not directly touching your work until it is printed out. Might seem a bit sterile, but that could be the way society is heading these days. How often has it happened you are in setting somewhere with another person, and either they, you, or both, are preoccupied with the iphone and no verbal conversation takes place?

regards,
Jack

 

[zodiac]

Bloody hell Wayne are you OK? Don't hurt yourself lugging that gargantuan chip on your shoulder around will you? What am I selling exactly? Is it because I'm enthusiastic about something that so obviously freaks you out for whatever reason. Here we f******g go again, blah blah blah, make the mistake on PF of contributing or sharing any experience or information or dare I even mention the word enthusiasm? The insults start flying. I just don't get why you are so angry and bitter which is what you're coming across at me as.

 

[Wayneb]

Thanks Jack,...At least I got a little backup......Wayne

 

[zodiac]

From that experience, I think I can see a certain point that Wayne is making - that is, computer generated sculpting is less physically hands on by the artist. Sure, one still has to touch keys on the keyboard, it takes time, and certainly is still an expression of creativity, but you are not directly touching your work until it is printed out. Might seem a bit sterile, but that could be the way society is heading these days. How often has it happened you are in setting somewhere with another person, and either they, you, or both, are preoccupied with the iphone and no verbal conversation takes place?

Hi Jack,

Nobody sculpts digitally with a keyboard. Using a cintiq is 99% as good as slapping clay on by hand, pressure, and many adjustments can be made. Wonderful piece of kit. I've never found digitally sculpting sterile, just different in a positive way. It's one of the best creative tools around. Still there's a way to go with printing. Illustrators have been using tablets for decades now.

 

[zodiac]

]Thanks Jack,...At least I got a little backup......Wayne

Wayne why don't you just explore a bit, be open minded rather than look for validation for your anger.

 

[Wayneb]

Zodiac.......if that is what your name is.......Are YOU OK?........
I simply expressed my opinion on a subject that you and I do not agree on.I'm not angry about anything.All you have to do is look at my original posts and I can't take those words back.
But you go off on a long drawn out spiel to explain your point...Why?...........At least I'll sign my name.........Wayne

 

[zodiac]

I was referring to Jacks post about sculpting using a keyboard, that's all. No I'm not a 'salesman' for the record, I was making a contribution to the thread, that's all, sharing my experience with 3D so far. Your opinion of 3D digital sculpting is wrong, you should try it first and see what you think, you would probably enjoy it being a sculptor.

 

[Wayneb]

Hey.....let's shake hands and call it a nice friendly conversation......DONE,OVER,KAPUT,.....Wayne

 

[zodiac]

Thank Christ for that!!

 

[Wayneb]

Amen brother.................Have a nice Holiday.........Wayne

 

[zodiac]

Another way of using 3D in the hobby would be fully rendered scenes like box dioramas. There is superb rendering software now that can create a cross between paintings and box dioramas, also you wouldn't have to lug the box around, you'd just need a good sized laptop to display it or overhead screen.

 

[combatartist]

My high school son is taking an engineering class and has (3) 3D printers available, from a $800 model to a $20k unit. He is learning AutoDesk for Mac, but not sculpting programs. He said that the resin used for the high end printer is expensive, or so he was told. Area 11 logo.

This blows me away! Thanks for this posting and the threads.

Tony S

 

[Gra30]

This thread has got very heavy, to be honest so heavy that it as put me off even looking, I see Wayne completely and even after bowing gracefully you keep poking, I do not see why.

If you can sculpt brilliant, if your good enough to produce the goods, great I will pay you, any material.
I love art and expression, but it ain't going to help sell the product if you can't meet the market on what the market wants. It does seem that the more you tell us we are against you (digital) the more you justify the argument.

The point being, it has to be good enough to sell, expressions of pieces of wood and stone are to be respected but cannot be compared, this is a figure (generally miniature) forum not a sculptors forum. There must be loads carving and stone carving sites to express the passion, I suspect you have never painted a 54mm eye with expression, the highlight showing direction for the final piece.

For the moment, if I had the choice- which I do, pay a hand sculptor or 3d. My money will always pay the hand sculptor, however I am fully prepared and if there is a 3d sculptor that can produce me a figure of my choice for 2014 with direction to print I will fully eat my words.
Unfortunately the art of the military figure is now being lost under said technical expression where yet I have seen not an ounce of comparable creativity. I question where I deliver the box of Historex parts to and ask for boridino to be replicated.
And I would like painted please, a vital piece that seems to be neglected.

Best wishes

 

[zodiac]

I'm sorry Graham your post doesn't make sense, it is late in the UK and maybe you're a little tired and emotional etc. I kind of get that your advising me to go to another site, for carving? Because the more I post on the 3d topic the more you are 'against me'? Is this right? have I got the gist? Also this is not a sculpting site eh? What is it then? A dating site? Everywhere I look there is sculpture!!!!! You obviously haven't read any of my posts on this topic or you wouldn't have said what you did. All I'm doing is contributing to the topic. To be honest I don't care to know what you would pay for and what you wouldn't pay for that's your business. This isn't affecting the art of the figure in a negative way. If anything it will enhance things greatly.

 

[zodiac]

I just reread your post, sorry pal, you're an idiot.

 

[Gra30]

I just reread your post, sorry pal, you're an idiot.

Thanks Pal, it must have took a lot of artistic talent to tell me what I already know.
It wasn't actually in response to you either, but you have justified even more to me how precious, exclusive and down right on a pedistal SOME of you feel.
You keep making out we are negative but it know boils down to abuse, the lady protests too much.
I gave a genuine and underogatory statement and a fully open request.
I joined PF as I thought it was to replicate military and civilian figures, when I joined digital wasn't even here.
We, the model figure community respect it and I believe have encompassed it, but if you look at the threads above about stone, wood, no old school, it is ONLY the digital thread that has become an art debate.
My response was to rkapuaala and fully respectful on both sides, I thought.

 

[Gra30]

And as said Zodiac, my response wasn't to you but thank you for the compliment.
I have been called worse, I believe it is not the first time or most likely the last.
The bitterness and ease you can judge somebody, through a disagreement does amaze me though

 

[zodiac]

Graham please go to bed, get some rest or something. What is it? five am in the morning there? this is insane. It's just a hobby. Go hire a hooker or something, take your mind off the impending 3d revolution that you fear.

 

[zodiac]

Just a last point if your post wasn't aimed at me why did you accuse me of keep poking Wayne in it??? Now go get an escort and get some of that tension relieved pronto!

 

[Gra30]

Sorry my friend, some people that make a living out of this cannot finish until Tuesday.
Not sure what you mean by hooker, do you mean I should go hire a prostitute ?
How very professional of you State side.
I just ask why, I don't know who you are, I probably admired you once prior to your alias on PF
What you now lack in brush skill you certainly make up for in literacy and degradation
Sad really