Recasters

[Helm]

I believe Richie does a line of Congo re-casts Mark

steve

 

[Paul-H]

Don't forget I am not saying its right either legally or morally, just suggesting a reason why the re-casters do so well.

Is it wrong to buy a re-cast if you cannot afford to buy an original, because in doing so you are not denying the original artist any income because you would not have bought an original if no re-cast was available, because you could not afford to buy an original.

Sorry just playing devils advocate again.

Another way of looking at it is taking computer software as an example, If you use a downloaded version of for example Photoshop, because you cannot afford the £600 price tag, in doing so you are not denying Photoshop any income because if the down load was not available you would not have paid the £600 but you would have bought a lower price option from one of their competitors, Coral for example. but you do tell everyone that asks you what software you use that its all done in Photoshop, so although they got no money from you that have got loads of positive recommendations, which they would not have done should you have gone to a rival provider.

I know its not the same but it does prove that not all piracy is bad.

Paul

 

[Richie]

I think we'd all like to be able to pick up a nice masterpiece by Picasso, Rembrandt, Titian or Congo the Chimpanzee just for the price of the paints, canvas, brushes and a few bananas.[/quote]

Now you leave chimpanzee's out of this one, or I'll stop reading this post!

 

[polyphemus]

Recasters are thieves and just because you can't afford something doesn't condone supporting criminals.

Geoff

 

[Paul-H]

In an ideal utopian work you are obviously correct.

As said in the big book, let those without sin cast the first stone.

 

[Pilgrim_uk]

I always find these topics pretty pointless for the one and only reason. You cannot force your opinion onto someone else. Whether that opinion is right or wrong people will do what they want.

You may as well try to take the second amendment away from the merrycans. All it does is create pariahs and split groups.

in doing so you are not denying Photoshop

Yes you are. You are using an unlicensed version of the software thus not paying for its use. If you took a hire car because nobody was around to serve you does that make it right. Your recommendations come along with the "if he can get it for nothing why cant I brigade".

I can never figure out what people want out of these discussions. Doing the wrong thing in this world does not make you horribly scarred like the dark side of the force. Which some folk would like. For personal recasting ( no profit making) then that's a valid question and many people would not have a problem with it the price in recasting a decent mould would be just as much as an original. ( in some cases)

 

[Colin_Fraser]

I also was think of honesty as an absolute concept - either you are honest you are not. No grey zone. By that measure, each of us probably know very few honest folk, including ourselves.

Colin

 

[housecarl]

To be honest, can't resist them.
Carl.

 

[Helm]

What Chimps or Re-casters Carl ?

Steve

 

[housecarl]

What Chimps or Re-casters Carl ?

Steve

Both mate.
My attempt at irony obviously failed.
Carl.

 

[Helm]

Irony doesn't mean made out of metal right ?

Steve

 

[Richie]

Now,now you lot, what have I told you.............leave chimpanzee's,monkey's, ape's, gibbon's etc out of this.

 

[housecarl]

Irony doesn't mean made out of metal right ?

Steve

Fe ry funny.
Carl.

 

[Helm]

I cu what you did there mate

 

[housecarl]

I see you're in you element.
Carl.

 

[Helm]

Periodically I get like it

 

[Paul-H]

Yes you are. You are using an unlicensed version of the software thus not paying for its use. If you took a hire car because nobody was around to serve you does that make it right. Your recommendations come along with the "if he can get it for nothing why cant I brigade".

And you have completely missed the point of what I said. Just to make it clear one more time.

I said if in the case given photoshop, if someone downloaded a copy they are only denying adobe of any financial reward if tey would have bought photoshop if they did not down load it for free, in the example I gave if it was not possible to Down load it the the downloader would not the buy the official product because it was out of their price range, in that case adobe would get zero income. But they would get free recomendation from the down loader, so they do gain something, rather than on other company producing a low cost alternative getting the money for their product.

I am not saying it is ok to do so, but just being a bit more realistic about how thing really work in the real world.

 

[Gra30]

Just to play devils advocate and because its that time of year again

Question, would there be such a problem with re-casters if the original products where not so expensive, I do know they cost a lot in time to make the first master and the first set of moulds but once that is done each one only costs a few pence in resin, so if the prices reduced as more had been made would the re-casters have any incentive to ply their ill gotten trade.

Like I said I am not condoning re-casting but just wondering if the real reason behind it might be a bit closer to the home of the sellers of the original and not some Chap meeting a need for lower cost figures for the less well off to own and paint.

It must be very tempting to buy four figures for the price of one original.

Paul

Paul, you shock me,

As a figure modeller for over 30 years and coming from grass routes your quote is obviously aimed at the big manufacturers, which there are a few but also many more from humble guys hoping to pick a subect that if lucky will get a return.

In the 6 months I have been manufacturing some masters have returned their value but others have not, yes it is our choice but we generally, if small scale, hope to get a return of the master in a mould life, hence why some figures are not made again or we move on to new figures.
To quote cost of resin alone is ridiculous, even the master needs to be made mould ready, rubber, boxing, postage, customer service which hopefully is spot on always, we may not even get to the end of the mould before interest is lost and the figure becomes a long term slow seller. Sometimes to keep on the market a mould may be made again and only 2 casts done in months, moulds sitting there have a limited shelf life.

Yes, it may be tempting to buy 4 copies for the price of one but generally the price of a good figure within the UK is reasonable and try knocking on the recasters door when you want a few spare parts, something I think you will always get if going to the correct owner and manufacturer.

To have an original made for a person, of your choice, is sometimes not as expensive as you may think, but to produce in mutiples with the correct equipment and constant quality, boxed and hopefully giving a true modellers experience with new figures is totally different.
We are not greedy people but please, to understand fully, you must have a better knowledge of the process rather than the cost of resin.
I have never bought a recast and nor will I, to me there is no excuse before or as i stand now and any publicity warning is good in my eyes.
I think most of us will find that it is the tools that cost more than the product, having just paid considerable for more oil paints, would we ever consider buying knock off copies of paints and brushes ????????, why should figures be any different?
Gra

 

[Gaudin]

I just thought of a incident where a certain chap named Jesus in approximately 34 AD, took a fish caught by some one, and a loaf baked by someone, didn't have to pay for it .... and then recasted into thousands.
I know he didn't get any money (poor naive fellow) , but a profit in reputation was huge...

Merry Christmas folks, all is well.

 

[housecarl]

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery".
Charles Caleb Colton (1780–1832)
Carl.