WIP Critique Richelieu from Le Cimier

[Mjølner]

Hello Planeteers

I have startet a second run on this miniature. First one was started years ago and didn't end well, could not get the red right and was empty for ideas getting the highlights and shadows look good.
Back in a box for a while, then out again for stripping the paint.
Then in the cupboard with the others in progress.

Now I have come up with a way to deal with my problems, I think.

Base is done in acrylic and next step will be in oils.

Colors for the red is Schminke Mussini:
Cadmium Red, Indigo, Zinober Red, Zitron Yellow and Flake White.

And this is how it looks in base coat done in AK 3rd Gen acryl.

Now it's time for oils and I hope Schminke will help me out this time. More will follow.

 

[megroot]

Richelieu wears the chivalric Order of the Saint-Esprit, its blue moiré ribbon contrasting with the starched white linen and the crimson satin of his collar and cloak.
And for your information the firm van Gogh has a pretty good Carmin. Talens has a brighter one. Carmine color is a vivid red with the merest hint of purple. It sits between crimson and red on the color wheel. The color carmine is a popular pigment that's been made for thousands of years using aluminium salt of carmine acid, which comes from certain insects.
So I assume that Carmin is a great color for Richelieu robe.

Marc

 

[Mjølner]

Richelieu wears the chivalric Order of the Saint-Esprit, its blue moiré ribbon contrasting with the starched white linen and the crimson satin of his collar and cloak.
And for your information the firm van Gogh has a pretty good Carmin. Talens has a brighter one. Carmine color is a vivid red with the merest hint of purple. It sits between crimson and red on the color wheel. The color carmine is a popular pigment that's been made for thousands of years using aluminium salt of carmine acid, which comes from certain insects.
So I assume that Carmin is a great color for Richelieu robe.

Marc

Thank you very much for the info on the Order and the color of the cloak. I will check out Carmine and compare with cadmium red, don't think I have Carmine but I will do my best to come as close as possible.

Brian

 

[Steve Ski]

Yep, that's my process as well, acrylic base, oil work on top. I do not leach the oil from mine though, never have. I understand the reason, just recon I never bothered, HA! Great start, Brian.

 

[Mjølner]

Yep, that's my process as well, acrylic base, oil work on top. I do not leach the oil from mine though, never have. I understand the reason, just recon I never bothered, HA! Great start, Brian.

Thank you Steve I do it to take off a bit of the glossy finish that some colors tend to leave when the dry up.

 

[Nap]

Hi Brian

That’s a great start on the acrylics base , the 3G colours are good

Following this with interest

Looking forward to seeing more

Happy benchtime

Nap

 

[Ronaldo]

These days I prefer to dilute the oils with white spirit ,it quickens the drying time and aids in matting down the paint .you could it do it by extracting the oil as above or bypass that process and work straight from the tube. RE Flake white , I would never use it as it yellows over time and is very greasy , Titanium white is the go to of most oil painters.

PS Cad red deep will probably get you there

 

[Mjølner]

These days I prefer to dilute the oils with white spirit ,it quickens the drying time and aids in matting down the paint .you could it do it by extracting the oil as above or bypass that process and work straight from the tube. RE Flake white , I would never use it as it yellows over time and is very greasy , Titanium white is the go to of most oil painters.

PS Cad red deep will probably get you there

I dilute the oils white spirit aswell. Now that you mention it, I had forgotten that flake white yellows over time, thanks for the info.
I have a good feeling about Cad red deep, so it's nice to know that you have the same opinion

Thanks
Brian

 

[Steve Edwards]

I work in oils over acrylic as well. But I don't leach the oil out unless it's really oily. I do the acrylic base, then go straight into highlighting and shading with oils. I don't overpaint the entire base coat, just lay down the light and shade colours and feather them out with a round brush. That's where you appreciate having a bit of oil in the paint, otherwise it feels dry and draggy.

When it's all dry, I finish off with a glaze coat. Use the acrylic base colour mixed with loads of Vallejo Glaze Medium, which dries matt and gives you the shaded version of the base colour.

If you think the base colour is a bit off, then you can change it with a glaze. You might find your cad red is a bit bright for Carmine, which is a wee bit darker and richer. I would use oil paint for this kind of glaze. Because that's what it's made for. Mix up some dark red/crimson oil paint with a glazing medium, I use W&N Fine Detail Liquin. You'll need to experiment a bit to get the right ratio. Because of the Liquin, this glaze will dry glossy. But it's beautiful! No good, we can't have a shiney Cardinal. AK Ultra Matt varnish to the rescue.

AK Ultra Matt is the good stuff, it goes on easily with a brush. And just dries matt.

 

[Briggsy]

Interesting character to paint and oh so very red. I did a version of him as a flat many years ago. I shall watch with interest.

Cheers Simon

 

[Nap]

Interesting character to paint and oh so very red. I did a version of him as a flat many years ago. I shall watch with interest.

Cheers Simon

Interesting indeed ..,I painted a bust version ...think it was from Nemrod or Le Cimier

Following with interest ...especially that red

Nap

 

[Paul20100]

One suggestion for lights on the red: Brueghel red from Lefranc... although officially discontinued. B. Leibovitz uses it.

 

[Mjølner]

I work in oils over acrylic as well. But I don't leach the oil out unless it's really oily. I do the acrylic base, then go straight into highlighting and shading with oils. I don't overpaint the entire base coat, just lay down the light and shade colours and feather them out with a round brush. That's where you appreciate having a bit of oil in the paint, otherwise it feels dry and draggy.

When it's all dry, I finish off with a glaze coat. Use the acrylic base colour mixed with loads of Vallejo Glaze Medium, which dries matt and gives you the shaded version of the base colour.

If you think the base colour is a bit off, then you can change it with a glaze. You might find your cad red is a bit bright for Carmine, which is a wee bit darker and richer. I would use oil paint for this kind of glaze. Because that's what it's made for. Mix up some dark red/crimson oil paint with a glazing medium, I use W&N Fine Detail Liquin. You'll need to experiment a bit to get the right ratio. Because of the Liquin, this glaze will dry glossy. But it's beautiful! No good, we can't have a shiney Cardinal. AK Ultra Matt varnish to the rescue.

AK Ultra Matt is the good stuff, it goes on easily with a brush. And just dries matt.

I work with oils mostly as you by adding the different shades next to one another and then feather in, but I work in small areas and move my war round the figure.
I have found a dark carmine in my collection of oil paints, will try it out on a test figur (don't know how many layers it have received over time) but it will be fun to do some tests. If I don't fell for it then I might try to ad a wee bit of blu to the Cad red and see what that looks like.
In the good old days WN made a matt medium and when adding it to the color it would dry up matt or less shiny, I still have some of that. I also have the NW Liquin so there is a lot of options to choose from.
I have the AK varnish, it really good, my only concern is that acryl over oil should wait until the oil is fully dried up and that takes quite some time.

 

[Mjølner]

Interesting character to paint and oh so very red. I did a version of him as a flat many years ago. I shall watch with interest.

Cheers Simon

It is indeed, and the contrast between red and white looks fantastic.I have a flat version aswell but unpainted though.

Cheers Brian

 

[Mjølner]

One suggestion for lights on the red: Brueghel red from Lefranc... although officially discontinued. B. Leibovitz uses it.

Will try to take a look of it to get a hint of what it looks like.

 

[Steve Edwards]

I thought I'd seen that Cardinal before. Here's a couple of pix I found on Danilo Cartacci's Facebook page. I've just realised that it's a different model. Silly me! Never mind, enjoy the reds.

 

[Mjølner]

I thought I'd seen that Cardinal before. Here's a couple of pix I found on Danilo Cartacci's Facebook page. I've just realised that it's a different model. Silly me! Never mind, enjoy the reds.

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I would also mix up a first, they look the same, this one is just missing the document.
Thank you for sharing

 

[Nap]

I would also mix up a first, they look the same, this one is just missing the document.
Thank you for sharing

Nice to see those versions ...reds look amazing

Looking forward to seeing more on the version being painted here

Happy benchtime

Nap

 

[Mjølner]

Nice to see those versions ...reds look amazing

Looking forward to seeing more on the version being painted here

Happy benchtime

Nap

Thank you Nap