JonP
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You can't leave it like that!!
Scotland independence
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You can't leave it like that!!
Jon, it's all down to what side of the River Medway you were born, East or West side. Then on top of that an historic battle between the Kentish Tribes, during the Roman invasion that led to the Romans leaving Kent and marching North having not conquered the Kentish Tribes. Hence the Counties Motto INVICTA, on the badge of Kent, A White Horse. HMS Kent always went into Action with a Bunch of tree sticks tied to her Main Mast in commemoration of the Battle. General Wolf was born in Westerham on the west bank of the Medway, so he was a Kentishman, had he have been born on the East side,then he would have been a Man of Kent.
JonP
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Many thanks for that. I've been to Kent loads of times and never knew there was a difference!
I have always considered the United Kingdom to be greater than the sum of its parts and as an Englishman (with Aussie parents) I very much hope the Scots choose NOT to separate. If they do choose independence, of course they can keep the pound (Bank of Scotland, or Bank of England). What they cannot do is expect the B of E to be the lender of last resort, or run the rUK economy to support the Scottish economy. This is not 'bullying' it is a statement of fact. If the Scots want independence, so be it, but independence means exactly that. I'm not sure that the people living in the PIIGS part of the Eurozone would whole heartedly recommend being part of a currency over which they had no control.
As an aside, I wonder what the oil situation would be if the Orcadians chose to return to Norwegian sovereignty?
Mike
As an aside, I wonder what the oil situation would be if the Orcadians chose to return to Norwegian sovereignty?
Mike
Paul Kernan
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Quebec is a fine example of what is happening in Great Britain. All you have to do is substitute Scotland for Quebec, Great Britain for Canada and to a certain degree, the EU for the US. Not satisfied in continuously attempting to split this country, they (Bloc Quebecois/Parti Quebecois) want all the benefits of Canada as a back up.....currency, passport/travel rights, trade agreements (NAFTA), control of the St. Lawrence Seaway, hydro-electric power (big supplier of electricity to the eastern seaboard of North America). Same retroact, threats, counter threats, etc. Leaves everyone worried, confused, angry.
Sound familiar? It should. Members of these parties have been acting as campaign advisors to Salmond and his misguided cronies. Although their last referendum attempt was a 'near run thing', hopefully, Salmond will experience the same failure as our francophone brothers here in Canada. Strength in numbers
BTW, when asked I'm Scots by birth (or grace of God), British by association and Canadian by choice
Sound familiar? It should. Members of these parties have been acting as campaign advisors to Salmond and his misguided cronies. Although their last referendum attempt was a 'near run thing', hopefully, Salmond will experience the same failure as our francophone brothers here in Canada. Strength in numbers
BTW, when asked I'm Scots by birth (or grace of God
), British by association and Canadian by choice
I apologise for using the word bullying, and I am not advocating a split from England, I am british and proud of it ,i think it would be a mistake to go independent but.due to the savage cuts inflicted on Scotland by thatcher and the tories its easy to want a split from them. I served in the royal marines and took an oath to the queen and country, all of the country,not part of it. I was a brit/scot in the marines and still am/ a brit/scot./badger.
So did I Badger, joined at the Depot Deal in 1958, so hello to a fellow Royal. I didn't think you was Bullying mate, so no apologies needed. I've also got and had a lot of friends in Scotland, my family originated in Scotland,well the Kingdom actually,Fife. I am English and proud of it, but together we are all stronger. Cameron won't want to go down in history as the Prime Minister that lost Scotland, but him and his Party have gone the right way of possibly doing just that. I think in the end common sense will prevail and united we will all remain. Let's face it Cameron Salmond Sturgeon, and all the rest of them will only be hear for a Dog Watch and then we will be well rid.
Colin_Fraser
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Think if it as a rocky marriage...if you get your steam up and make an emotional decision, your long- term financial prospects are unlikely to be improved. Better to just get separate rooms and some counselling.
Colin
Colin
ha ha, I like the rocky marriage idea and separate rooms / Cameron in one and salmon in the other or better still take them to the ranges at kingsdown and use them for target practice./ but seriously the only way to beat this recession is to stay together, pull together and support one another. when you look at the unrest in other parts of the world we are lucky to be here in the united kingdom/badger.
Ron Tamburrini
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Well lets see ! The oil is Scottish ,the debt is English ,the pound is to be shared ,oh and we will be looking for a handout from the treasury to make amends for all the past dastardly deeds done to us ,just like the guilt money handed out to India each year
to the working class like myself, talk like Scottish oil/national dept.etc, are suit words,are words that the finance world use, I would like to see words like,investigation into expense claims by members of parliament/ investigation into bankers bonuses, investigation into profits made by energy companies, investigation into members of parliament voting to give themselves a 10,000 pound payrise but voting to give pensioners a rise of 5 pence?. I am sorry to rabbit on, and I think that is why I enjoy modelling, cos when I am modelling it takes my mind off all of this/badger
I had a power cut issue of MM, I was lorry driving at the time,and if two lorries went out and there was no return load, then one lorry was put on the back of the other and piggy backed home. Yes it was a bit sh.,. At the time, but the Torys milked it for all it was worth. I didn't increase the family though, that happened during the National water strike.
What Waterman is saying is very true about the Scottish MPs voting on English matters (theWest Lothian question) and I've always been aware that us Scots get more of a handout per capita than the English do from the treasury.I've noticed that everybody has an opinion and quite rightly so,but stop and think about what we might be giving future generations e.g. your grandkids.The U.K. has served me well for 67 years and I see no reason to gamble with other peoples futures and become independent for no reason.I'm also sick of hearing about Scotlands oil,If even that was true is the oil going to last 300 years just like the Union has? I think not
I hear Cameron ,Tories,Salmond etc,etc, being bandied about,but what impact have any of these people got on the future to come.They are irrelevant and anyone with a ounce of grey matter would be taking a hell of a risk of the great unknown ,which is independence.
I'm surprised that people in our particular hobby don't seem to know too much of Britain's history,or so it seems.Check out what the Scots have done as part of the U.K. and I'm personally proud of our achievements for such a small nation.
From a very proud Jock and a very proud member of the U.K. with a bit of common sense.Something that seems to me to be lacking nowadays
Brian
I hear Cameron ,Tories,Salmond etc,etc, being bandied about,but what impact have any of these people got on the future to come.They are irrelevant and anyone with a ounce of grey matter would be taking a hell of a risk of the great unknown ,which is independence.
I'm surprised that people in our particular hobby don't seem to know too much of Britain's history,or so it seems.Check out what the Scots have done as part of the U.K. and I'm personally proud of our achievements for such a small nation.
From a very proud Jock and a very proud member of the U.K. with a bit of common sense.Something that seems to me to be lacking nowadays
Brian
sd0324
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This thread is fascinating to me. I had no idea. Imagine that.
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