the curse of the box art
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Gra30
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Don't give me a laugh Microsoft. When people stop crowing over a certain other manufacturer who offer NOTHING in the way of painting instructions with bubbles in a box , and I may add when I then, get emails asking can I advise, even though they have never bought from me ,well....
I have the rights to a lot of Bob Marion and Fosten which came with the Grieve range I bought, but I sure as hell ain't going to offer it freely, you buy the figure. If manufacturers cannot be bothered do you really want to buy from them?
I have the rights to a lot of Bob Marion and Fosten which came with the Grieve range I bought, but I sure as hell ain't going to offer it freely, you buy the figure. If manufacturers cannot be bothered do you really want to buy from them?
Gra30
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By the way, average for a box art picture is £400- £500
It may vary but that is example that we don't take it lightly, the drawings you show Microsoft are copyrighted and so would need to be commissioned, probably at the same price. Then you think they should be offered freely ? , that is being very naive
In reality you shouldn't be posting the above, read the inside cover of any book. I have done it myself and generally we all as a community pass on info( legal and illegal) but don't sit on a hill and advise when you have no idea of costings
It may vary but that is example that we don't take it lightly, the drawings you show Microsoft are copyrighted and so would need to be commissioned, probably at the same price. Then you think they should be offered freely ? , that is being very naive
In reality you shouldn't be posting the above, read the inside cover of any book. I have done it myself and generally we all as a community pass on info( legal and illegal) but don't sit on a hill and advise when you have no idea of costings
kenshin393
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I remember, back in the day, when I used to paint nothing but 1/35 vietnam or modern infantry, they just came in wee plastic bags with a badly typed colour guide. If you were lucky there was a quick sketch of camo patterns.
ah! Them were the days!
ah! Them were the days!
tomifune
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The lack of box art or info doesn't seem to bother the recasters sales.
Bob
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My My Gra30 .. hold your horses
Never said it must be free or that it cost nothing, every work cost something, sometime, at least, time and good will .
About the Labayen sheet; it was in every kit sold
the drawing were made by Mr Labayen himself, then duplicated by the means available at that time ... photocopy, rototprint or ... no Art Box, no photo.. plain plastic bag wih the figures and the data sheets and he had a full job outside the figures bzns
Art Box .. we don't ask for the part Art, just infos . Cost.? .. their own cam, click clack thank you Kodak, posted on their webb would be enough . No need of a special black room with mutiple asserved flashes, protected in a faraday cage agains external noise, cam on a 5 tons socle against vibrations, made on a professional system, negative 10 x 15 inches on glass .
For lot of suppliers sometime it was only a small band of paper, handcuted with scissors and plain text with sometime a freehand drawing for the position of awkward pieces, and it was enough . For more we had ( have ) Funcken, Blandford, Osprey, Allmark to name a few, remember 70ies .. no webb
And I forgot .. the shops were you got lot of info from the owners or other customers present ( this possibility is allas out .. )
And .. even without your Art Boxes ( that are very wll made/accurate ) , I would buy CGS products for their quality and reasonable price
And I think that my target was surely that (those) other manufacturer(s) who offer nothing except bubbles ( not even Champagne .. pity )
Never said it must be free or that it cost nothing, every work cost something, sometime, at least, time and good will .
About the Labayen sheet; it was in every kit sold
the drawing were made by Mr Labayen himself, then duplicated by the means available at that time ... photocopy, rototprint or ... no Art Box, no photo.. plain plastic bag wih the figures and the data sheets and he had a full job outside the figures bzns
Art Box .. we don't ask for the part Art, just infos . Cost.? .. their own cam, click clack thank you Kodak, posted on their webb would be enough . No need of a special black room with mutiple asserved flashes, protected in a faraday cage agains external noise, cam on a 5 tons socle against vibrations, made on a professional system, negative 10 x 15 inches on glass .
For lot of suppliers sometime it was only a small band of paper, handcuted with scissors and plain text with sometime a freehand drawing for the position of awkward pieces, and it was enough . For more we had ( have ) Funcken, Blandford, Osprey, Allmark to name a few, remember 70ies .. no webb
And I forgot .. the shops were you got lot of info from the owners or other customers present ( this possibility is allas out .. )
And .. even without your Art Boxes ( that are very wll made/accurate ) , I would buy CGS products for their quality and reasonable price
And I think that my target was surely that (those) other manufacturer(s) who offer nothing except bubbles ( not even Champagne .. pity )
kenshin393
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The lack of box art or info doesn't seem to bother the recasters sales.
Bob
That's cos they've used the box art in the advert already!
tomifune
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Actually they don't. They do not use the original manufacturers name anymore. Just pics of resin cast pieces with a historical name of the piece. They have evolved because of the pressure put on them. I liken it to a thief that everytime you update your home security alarm, they learn how to bypass it.
Bob
Tarracus
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I never use the box art as a guide . I always thought it's a barrier for owns creativity
kenshin393
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Jeez! I've just woken up man! That's too freaky for this time in the morning.
I never use the box art as a guide . I always thought it's a barrier for owns creativity
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That's what happend when you have no mounting instructions sheet
Tubby-Nuts2
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I never use the box art as a guide . I always thought it's a barrier for owns creativity
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This reminds me of 'Beetle-juice'.
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=beetle juice shrinking hjead&qs=n&form=QBVR&pq=beetle juice shrinking hjead&sc=0-18&sp=-1&sk=#view=detail&mid=E77AA69D3559D112DFC9E77AA69D3559D112DFC9
Mark
Tubby-Nuts2
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However in all seriousness, I have been seduced by, 'Box-Art', in the past! only to find on a few of occasions some poetic licence has been added ( Details that did not exist ). Personally! I like to see a cast in its raw form. Which is why our 'Review Section', is in-valuable to me. As hopefully it will give the true, 'Nuts and Bolts', picture of what we are buying. Then I wait and see what other's can achieve with any said piece.
Regards,
Mark
Regards,
Mark
kenshin393
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Gah! The curse strikes again! finished the skin on a fer bust, blocked in the base coats I wanted, tidied the desk, found the box which I'd discarded when I started. Gods sake! It could be a (very) early shot of the box art wip. I know how Howard Carter must've felt. Maybe it's just in April that this happens, I was complaining about this a year ago.
Ray Stout
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For those of us doing this hobby in the 70s we needed the colour descriptions and diagrams, as any illustrations were hard to find then. There were very few manufacturers putting pics of the figure on the Outside of the box,(just Hincliffe and Poste Militaire) and we relied so much on Osprey for the Colour schemes. These days there's so much more reference materials around,you really can't go wrong, unless it's a specific person you're modelling.
Forté
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I won't buy a mini unless I can see an unpainted version beforehand. Painters can turn a mediocre sculpt into something amazing, and vice versa too.
I do find it distracting though, and sometimes a bit intimidating. Especially with work by painters like Kirill Kaneav and Young B Song.
I do find it distracting though, and sometimes a bit intimidating. Especially with work by painters like Kirill Kaneav and Young B Song.
Agree wholeheartedly. I don't even try and compete as I'm not that good. I find the box art a useful guide.
peedee
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Ray...you old legpuller, this is your first box art,
And it's still in the gallery at white scar cave
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peedee
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No......you are right. It's a fair point Ray I should have done.
But way back then it was difficult translating from Roman Latin to the local lingo.
Ave !
Paulus
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