Were the chasseurs involved in Egypt?

[Roc]

As my Poste Militaire Chasseur is nearing the finish line, my thoughts are shifting to the groundwork.

Were the Chasseurs involved in Napoleon's Egyptian Campaign?

I was thinking of an Egyptian theme.



Cheers
Roc.

 

[Jim Patrick]

Hey Roc, not reallt too sure about most of this (I'm still at work and most of my research is in KY) but I think the uniforms would be be different. I'll see what I can dig up after I get home. In the mean time, try a Google search. Most of the hits you get will be a waste of time, however, some should give you a pretty good idea

Jim Patrick

 

[Roc]

Hey Jim, thank you my friend, I appreciate any help you can give me.
In the mean time I'll take your advice and try googles.

Thanks again

Cheers
Roc.

 

[rodsginger]

Roc
Check this page out for a pic of the Mounted Guides.

Guide

Cheers
Rod

 

[Roc]

Thanks Rod, very nice site, I'm enjoying it very much.


Cheers
Roc.

 

[rodsginger]

Appreciate your thoughts Roc
Rod

 

[megroot]

Here are some more links to the Napoleontic periode.
Hope you can find what you are looking for.
http://www.napoleon-series.org/
http://www.napoleonguide.com/



Marc

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hello Roc,
In the Egyptian campaign, there were in the French Army the Guides, with an uniform almost different. On the august 1799, Napoleon left Egypt, carrying with him 180 horse Guides and 125 foot Guides, the most devote to the future Emperor, while the other Guides still remained in Egypt with the general Kleber.
On 9 and 10 november of the same year, it happened the State stroke, and the new First Consul created the Consular Guard. The next year Napoleon created the company (4 officers and 113 men) of the "Chasseurs de la garde", under the command of his son Eugene de Beauharnais. After the proclamation of the Empre, on the 18 of may 1804, the Consular Guard became the Imperial Guard...
What uniform do you need? Of what period? In gala or in campaign? I don't know how attach imeges in the forum, then, if you write me a mail, I'll be happy to send you something by mail.
Good job
MdM

 

[Roc]

Hey guys thanks for all your help,I appreciate it, you guys are great.

Marcello, I'm in the the process of finishing the Poste militaire 90 mm. foot figure of the Chasseur, I just wanted to know if these troops were part of the Egyptian campaign, I had intended to put the figure on ground work with an Egyption theme.
After receiving much help from all of you, I have come to the conclusion that these troops were not in Egypt, therefore I have changed my plans for the ground work.



Cheers
Roc.

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hi Roc,
The figure of Poste Militaire is really dressed with the uniform of the Imperial period, then he could not stay in Egypt . As i remember, there's none figure of Guides produced from any firm, to make that uniform is necessary trasform something, or to scratch one .
Ciao, saluti da Roma
MdM

 

[slaj]

Roc , yes I think they were involved but as Jim says there are significant differences in the uniforms

Stephen Mallia

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hello Roc and Stephen,
I say again, in Egypt there no were "Chasseurs", formed later, but the "Guides de Bonaparte", that have an uniform similar to the pic sent by Rodsinger, and similar to the "surtout" dressed by the mounted Chasseur of Poste Militaire, even if they had some little difference in the clothes cut. Red collar and cuffs, green surtout orange piped, green breeches, red waistcoat, orange "aiguillettes" The foot Guides have almost the same habit, but red fringed epaulettes, red breeches and black gaiters. All them carried absolutely the short bicorne hat, with green plume red tipped. The colback came only with the Chasseurs uniform, then..how to put the PM Chasseur in Egypt?
Cheers
MdM

 

[Dani A.]

Hello,

As a matter of fact, Chasseurs à Cheval were present in the Egyptian campaign, in the form of a single regiment de la Ligne: the 22nd. Uniform facings were yellow. Obviously the confusion is with the Chasseurs à Cheval de la Garde Impériale (that is, not a Line regiment) which indeed did no exist at the time, although their predecessors the Guides à Cheval (also a not-Line unit) did. But stating that there were no Chasseurs in Egypt is wrong. There were no GUARD Chasseurs.

What is correct, on the other hand, is that the figure Rocco is painting, as it is, can not be placed in an Egyptian context.

They (the 22nd Line Chasseurs) wore their European issue uniforms and equipment. If I'm not wrong, Poste Militaire had an early Imperial Chasseur, and as such, he had a very Republican appearance, mirliton shako and all, and could be used as a basis for a trooper of the 22nd in Egypt, without much difficulty - probably it entails just a change of sabretache's insignia.

The figure you have, which is, indeed, a Chasseur de la Garde Impériale could be converted , too, to a Chasseur de la Ligne - the main difference being the headgear and insignia - but I do not think this would be a good idea now that is is almost finished...

Regards,

Daniel

 

[Paul Kernan]

And this is why I steer clear of Napoleonics :lol: I don't believe any other era has the exquisite beauty of the Nappy uniforms but man, do I get confused trying to keep track of the various regiments (guard, line, renamed, etc). I occassionally get the urge to paint one, get a headache and go and have a lie down :lol:

 

[Roc]

Stephan, Marcello and Daniel thank you very much for all you input, very appreciated and informative, makes me realize how much I don't know about the Napoleonic era, guess I will have to hit the books and do some serious reading.


Cheers
Roc.

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hello, Roc and Daniel,
I told you of the old "Guides", after trasformed in "Chasseurs de la Garde Consulaire", and at last in "Chasseurs de la Garde Imperiale", because Roc asked for his Poste Militaire figure, that's a Chasseur de la Garde. Among the old "Guides" in Egypt, only the standard bearer and his escort had the colback, the others had the bicorne hat. Obviously, there were "Chasseurs de Ligne" in Egypt, and they fought against Mameluks, for example in the battle of Salahieh. I'm not sure of the regiment, because the cavalry had many reorganizations. I have a drawing of Rousselot, where is an officer of Chasseurs fighting against Mameluks, and he has yellow facing, but his uniform is hussard style, with the dolman, dressed until the Empire. Some inspection reports give the dolman in some regiments until 1806, though the surtout was already used. However, in the Imperial period, the 22nd had "capucine" (that's a bright orange) facings, yellow facings were reserved to the regiments 4, 5,and 6.
To Roc I can suggest Boucquoy book "Garde Imperiale à cheval" for the Chasseurs de la Garde, Consulaire et Imperiale, and the "Dragons et Guides" for the Guides in Egypt. Boucquoy is not totally faithful, but is a good base of starting.
Ciao Rocco, ricorda sempre l'Italia. Hasta luego Daniel, mucho gusto de conocerte por el forum
MdM

 

[Roc]

Mark, thanks for all your help, you have been a big help..


Marcello, non posso mai dimenticare la terra dei Cesari e di Dante.
L'italia e' la culla della civilta' e sono molto orgoglioso di essere di origine Italiana.

Forza Italia e forza Azzurri.

Ciao
Roc

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Ciao Rocco,
Dal tuo avatar e dalla frase dei tuoi post, penso che ti piacciono i romani...conosci un libro di Silvano Mattesini, con delle immagini a colori spettacolose?
Fammi sapere, scrivimi una mail al mio indirizzo
Saluti, forza Italia
MdM

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hello Roc and Daniel,
Only to complete the informations, I can confirm the presence of the 22nd CHASSEURS DE LIGNE in Egypt, commanded by the famous Lasalle, at that time still colonel, but after promoted general of brigade, and finally of division, killed at Wagram by an austrian grenadier with a rifle shot .
The colour of facings therefore had to be "capucine" , bright orange...
Bye bye
MdM

 

[Dani A.]

Hello,

I have just checked, and indeed the 22nd wore capucine facings from April 1791 to 1815 (some regiments changed colours in the 1812 reorganization, but not the 22nd).

I said "yellow" facings in error - please accept my apologies. At the time I consulted Elting's Napoleonic Uniforms, which I happened to have at hand, and the Egyptian campaign Chasseurs depicted there by the younger Knoetel definitely looks yellow - it would seem the artist misinterpreted his sources, capucine being one of those "peculiar" Napoleonic colours. Nevertheless, my fault because I did not countercheck. In the more complete and reliable source I have used now (La cavalerie légere du Premier Empire, by Pétard and Rigo), it looks like a darker version of aurore. A medium orange, as Marcellin suggest, would probably be close to the mark.

Regards,

Daniel