120mm Regiment Dromadaire - Mitches Military Models

[MMM]

Hello

Many thanks to our friend Hugo Pereira from RP models who originally designed this resin kit in 75mm scale and which will be available soon from www.mitchesmilitarymodels.co.uk in 120mm

This is a very large model and stands an imposing 240mm tall inclusive of base, the boxed kit weighs in at 750g .We will be casting these kits with a brass rod running the length of the front leg and into the body for additional support.

We are taking pre-orders for this model which will be invoiced for as soon as kits are available prior to general release.

Price for this model will be £90.00 which includes worldwide shipping.
To pre order please contact me on [email protected]

Thanks
Ross

 

[Richard Baxter]

Pity the lance isn't made of brass rod too, looks a bit wobbly and resin is devilish difficult to get absolutely straight. Nice looking model though.

 

[Tecumsea]

So much for limited editions? However l think it is an opportunity for those who prefer the larger scales to get their hands on this kit. Interesting move from RP, l for one wouldn't have bought the 75mm version knowing that a 120 mm version was to follow.

Who is doing the casting Ross?

 

[Redcap]

As with Keith, I bought the 75mm having been advertised and sold as a one-off limited edition. I will also probably sell the 75mm RP one now and buy the bigger scale instead.

Gary

 

[misfit151]

Very nice release Ross.....lance easily replaced by brass rod.... Mike

 

[bagelman1952]

Impressive piece. I also think the reigns look very thick and chunky and out of scale and would need to be replaced.

 

[ometz]

Beautiful model with some fine detailing.

 

[Grod]

So much for limited editions? However l think it is an opportunity for those who prefer the larger scales to get their hands on this kit. Interesting move from RP, l for one wouldn't have bought the 75mm version knowing that a 120 mm version was to follow.

Who is doing the casting Ross?

Hello Keith

Not sure what the problem is with producing this figure in a different scale to the 75mm limited edition version. Hugo has produced a few kits in different scales some of which are 75mm scale limited editions, Major Anders Lassen and Blondie Hassler are two which spring to my mind, produced in 75mm limited edition as well as 1/9th busts also limited edition but also unlimited in 1/35th . I can't recall anyone commenting adversely on this yet two posts on this release obviously don't like the fact that it's being produced in a different scale. You seem to have purchased a limited edition 75mm scale kit which is exactly what you have. 120mm scale is not as popular as 75mm but it's a scale which MMM specialise in and are now affording the opportunity to their customers of obtaining this model.

I initially took this 120mm project on with Hugo and have made the initial castings which you can see on the photos. It's too big a project for me to continue as I am tucked up with other things so have passed it on to Ross at MMM for production and distribution. It might not suit some traders but it's a great opportunity for figure painters who will always have priority.

Cheers
Gordon

 

[Tecumsea]

Gordon.........This what I said above.."However l think it is an opportunity for those who prefer the larger scales to get their hands on this kit.".


The question concerns future releases from Hugo-if you like the larger scales it could inhibit future sales for him and cast some uncertainty over what to purchase in future. I'm not the only one , someone has just PM'd me to say "what next Boudica in 120mm" best wait and see.

I have a lot of respect for you Gordon and have no wish to fall out over this, it is probably a positive sign of the future possibilities for items which are computer generated and can be 3d printed in different scales....calling them limited editions in my opinion stretches credibility but maybe in this new computerised world where everything is possible it will become the norm.

At the end of the day they are only Toy Soldiers.

Keith

 

[Grod]

Thanks Keith

I'm aware of what you said on the post as I did read it and your opening line was to question the credibility of RP Models Limited Editions which you have reinforced on your last post.

I'm at a loss to see what difference it would make to Hugo's sales by producing the 3D generated figures in different scales some as a limited edition and others not limited . As I pointed out in my initial response he already does it with his existing products. I've done it with a 3D generated figure in 5 x scales which I recognise as being one of the great advantages of 3D sculpts. It also negates the cries of 'If only this was produced in 54mm,75mm, 90mm, 120mm, 200mm ( tick as appropriate) I'd buy it right now'. Effectively I've purchased a sculpt from Hugo in the same way that I would buy a sculpt from a conventional sculptor which in this instance will be produced and distributed by MMM and not RP models. With regard to Hugo 'stretching credibility' he is one of the most credible individuals in this business and in my eyes his limited editions in 75mm or 1/10 remain so. He undertook to produce a limited number of 300 x 75mm or 1/10th sculpts which he has done and will not be producing any more of these therefore they are and will remain limited editions. I've seen RP models products and I don't think Hugo will have any problems in distributing them. He does not sell his kits directly to customers but relies on distributors to sell them on his behalf. I only sell my own products at the moment but if he has problems in selling his kits to traders I would be more than happy to step in ane become one of his distributors as I know they will continue to sell.

"Boudica in 120mm" 54mm,75mm, 90mm, 200mm ( tick as appropriate) and why not. Anyone fancy one?



Cheers
Gordon

 

[Tecumsea]

At no time have I made a direct attack on RP models Gordon. I have questioned the use of the term "Limited Edition" and feel the rule book is being rewritten in this respect. I remember a Limited Edition Roman a few years ago in White metal, it proved very popular and guess what? a re-release in Resin of another, I think it was 300........you can play tunes on this any way you wish and other Manufacturers do it as a marketing ploy to bring forward sales and frighten customers into advance purchase...it's the world we now live in!. I'm sure from Hugos perspective this is a great move and enables him to recoup some of the cost of the original Computer Sculpting, he is a sound business man and his products are very well researched, beautifully cast and popular with collectors.

My view is still that this situation calls into question the use of the term Limited Edition on future products. I think some modellers may hesitate to buy in one scale if they think there may be a release in another scale-perhaps this can be mitigated by an upfront declaration on what the future of the computer image will be or just stop using the term Limited Edition-does it now have a value?. I may be totally wrong and frankly don't really care one way or the other-just thought I would flag it up....Buyer beware and all that.

Keith

 

[polyphemus]

Just to add my own reaction to this. I bought the figure just after its original release as it was being flagged up as virtually sold out. I bought it by subject matter, animation, sculpt quality etc but not by scale/size. Had I known that it was intended that there be a possible future release in a larger size I would not have bought the 75mm version- my eyesight these days tends to limit me to larger figures/ busts. I feel that the use of the term "limited edition" suggested there would no further versions of this figure. Do I feel deceived? yes. Would I buy another "limited edition" produced by RP? no.

As Keith suggests the use of the phrase "limited edition" on release needs to be defined very clearly if customers are not to be deceived.

Will I buy the 120mm version? probably not as I have the 75mm.

In no way do I attach any blame or criticism on Gordon for this & I hope the figure achieves the success it deserves.

Geoff

 

[Grod]

Keith

At no time have I made a direct attack on RP models Gordon. I have questioned the use of the term "Limited Edition" and feel the rule book is being rewritten in this respect. I remember a Limited Edition Roman a few years ago in White metal, it proved very popular and guess what? a re-release in Resin of another, I think it was 300........you can play tunes on this any way you wish and other Manufacturers do it as a marketing ploy to bring forward sales and frighten customers into advance purchase...it's the world we now live in!. I'm sure from Hugos perspective this is a great move and enables him to recoup some of the cost of the original Computer Sculpting, he is a sound business man and his products are very well researched, beautifully cast and popular with collectors.

My view is still that this situation calls into question the use of the term Limited Edition on future products. I think some modellers may hesitate to buy in one scale if they think there may be a release in another scale-perhaps this can be mitigated by an upfront declaration on what the future of the computer image will be or just stop using the term Limited Edition-does it now have a value?. I may be totally wrong and frankly don't really care one way or the other-just thought I would flag it up....Buyer beware and all that.

Keith

Keith

I don't wish to go round in circles but on reading this it seems to me that what you are saying is quite contradictory. You say that you have not made a direct attack on RP models but questioned the use of the term 'Limited Edition". This post is about a 120mm Regiment Dromadaire 3D sculpted by RP Models and produced by MMM. Defenition of limited edition - 'an edition of a book, or reproduction of a print or object, limited to a specific number of copies'. In this particular instance your issue seems to be that RP Models have used that term incorrectly. To my mind they haven't as specifically they advertised 300 x 75mm kits of a Regiment Dromadaire kit which they have now produced, sold and will not be manufacturing any further. To my mind they have fulfilled their part of Limited Edition as defined. MMM are now selling a model in a completely different scale to a different audience and are not using the term limited edition. The next time I sell 300 x kits of one particular figure will be the first. You say that you may be totally wrong but flag up the warning message 'Buyer beware'.

If I am mistaken and you are making a general comment on limited editions generally it might be better to start a separate post rather than using this specific one which was started to promote a new product.
Cheers
Gordon

 

[Grod]

There is no value in picking the bits out of the argument that suit your side of the story Gordon, It appears I am not alone in my thoughts on this matter which is fundamentally about the use of the term Limited Edition generally, RP in this instance but others in the past. In fairness I have also suggested some ideas to restore confidence in future offerings, you can hardly be seen to be neutral in this discussion as you have a vested interest in the situation lets just agree to disagree and leave it at that, as I have already said I flagged up what I feel is a contentious issue. Some will agree others disagree and make decisions accordingly.

Keith

Keith
I don't feel I've picked out the bits of the argument that suit my side of the story but have highlighted the actual crux of the issue you have chosen to highlight with facts , which in this case are quite simple. You've specifically questioned the use by RP models of the term 'limited edition' in the marketing of 300 x 75mm scale figures. The facts are that RP models produced and distributed 300 of these models which is the number of figures they gave advanced notice of making. I haven't made up the definition of 'Limited edition ' as I'm not that clever, but have taken it from a dictionary. I haven't added any 'if', 'buts' or ' maybes' to that defenition. If you can tell me the wording of your definition of limited edition from the 'rule book ' you mentioned earlier it may help as I'm unable to find it.

You are quite right in that I do have a vested interest in this matter and I usually don't bother to take issue with any comments made on PF as everyone is entitled to their opinion . On this occasion I've felt obliged to do so as I instigated the production of the 120mm mounted figure which is the subject of this post and which you seem to be using as a platform to take issue against someone whose integrity and honesty, in my view, is beyond question.

I'm not sure if this is a 5 minute or a 10 minute argument but either way I think the time is up.
Cheers
Gordon

 

[Tecumsea]

I agree Gordon-It was not my intention to detract from your new release which I am sure will be very popular with larger scale modellers.

Keith

 

[Nap]

Hi Guys

This is certainly a imposing figure , no matter what scale .

Personally I hope this is not a trend with future RP , but Hugo knows my thoughts on this .

I put a massive amount of research into the RP release but have no doubt the larger scale of 120mm will suit some modellers but only time will tell if it has any effect on RP sales .

It will no doubt be popular and look great all painted up so let's look forward to that

Nap

 

[Grod]

Am I going mad or has one of Keiths's responses which I took the time to reply to been removed from this post? ( no comments necessary for the first four words of this comment).
Gordon

 

[Aveleira]

I have the RP Models 75mm edition and I love the figure!
It's a big, big model wich will not fit in my cabinet... But it has some amazing textures and details. I cut out de resin lance and glued a metal rod.

I have no doubt that in 120mm this figure will look amazing and will steal many glances in a display cabinet.

My congrats on the parternship! This is what the hobby is all about.

Good Luck MMM!


Regards
Pedro

 

[Alex]

may I suggest using a steel rod instead of brass during the casting process ? Much much stronger

 

[MMM]

may I suggest using a steel rod instead of brass during the casting process ? Much much stronger

Sound advice Alex thanks.
Ross