54mm 5th hussar regiment

[gazer]

Hello, my name is Benny Gazer and it is my first post on this forum.

Recently I purchased a 54mm metal figure of a Napoleonic Hussar in a local flea market. On the bottom of the figure's base is written: "HUSAREN-REGIMENT FURST BLUCHER VON WAHLSTATT NR.5 1758".

Since I have no experience with Napoleonic figure painting, I would be thankful if anyone can direct me to a proper painting guide/reference for that particular figure. An internet source is preferred.

Thank you very much, Benny

 

[megroot]

Benny,
You have to wait for Marcello Grimaldi. He is the man with much knowledge about the Napoleontic time.
He can inform you as much as you want.

Marc

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hi Benny,
You are walking out of Napoleonic period, your figure is an Hussar of Frederic the Great, the King of Prussia in XVIII Century, the date of the soldier is eleven years before the birth of Napoleon. However, being of the 5th regiment, he is from the famous Death Regiment, all in black, with white braids on the breast, and the silver skull badge on the cap. I think you can take as reference a figure made sometimes ago from Andrea or Beneito spanish firms. If you have difficulties, let me know, I have the Funcken book with the plates of Prussian regiments of that period
Best regards
Marcello

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[Uruk-Hai]

Welcome to the Planet, Benny!

Im not a Napoleanic fan myself but I think youre in safe hands with these questions thanks to the rest of the crew.

Cheers

 

[gazer]

Hello Marcello

First, I would like to thank you for your comrehensive reply.
I do have some questions though:
1. some references I found indicate that the uniforms of the 5th regiment were red: http://www.kaisersbunker.com/gtp/New/husar0.htm, http://www.hermann-historica.de/auk...t=temgroup_2_GB&start=1&dif=20&db=kat48_2.txt. so what is the correct color?
2. How should I paint the trousers?
3. The plate you added to your reply dissapeared. Cand you post it again.
4. What is the full name of the "Funcken" book?

Again, Thank you very much

Benny

 

[billyturnip]

Benny, the refs you posted are from a much later date. Around 1900. You need to look for uniform refs for the cavalry of Frederick The Great.
I'll see if I can find something for you.
Here's a start, http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/adjutant.html
Roger

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hi Benny,
I posted above again the image with the 5th Death Hussars of Frederic the Great. The links you gave are too much late, as said Roger billyturnip. The right colour for you is absolutely the black. I cannot appreciate from your photo if the figure is an officer, or a trooper. However, the last figure in the right is an officer, he has a sash only in silver colour, while the trooper has a sash red and white, as shown in the first figure.
here I put also a lonely officer, to show you the breeches.
The book is "L'uniforme et les armes des soldats de la guerre en dentelle" by Liliane and Fred Funcken vol.2 cavalry Corps
best regards
M

 

[Roc]

Maercello, again thank you for sharing the valuable research material.


Ciao
Roc

 

[gazer]

marcello, you're the best!

Thank you very much

I hope to be able to show "in progress" photos soon...

 

[marcellin de marbot]

Hu Benny,
I did not remember the photo, it's clearly visible a carbine on the figure, suspended to the shoulder belt, then it's surely a trooper. The sash is therefore white and red, while the braids and the laces are white, not silver as for the officers.
Best regards
Marcello

 

[Henri]

Hussar of the Great Frederic?

Hi.
I would agree with the other members of the forum, about the identity of this fellow. However, I have a problem: on the mirliton(shako) of this guy, there is clearly a cockade. If this fellow was a trooper, belonging to the famous Totenkopf regiment, he would instead wear the skull and the crossed bones, in white. A cockade could be seen on the NCO, Trumpet and Officer. And then, the patterns were different, as it can be seen on the Funken document.
Also, if this guy was an officer, he would have some kind of curved and silvery frame all along the laces, as you can see on the picture of the officer sent by one of the member (Also a Funken document by the way). He is not a trumpet, as he does not wear the "swallows nest " or wings on the shoulders, and there is this gun. My feeling is that he is a NCO, but I am surprised of the presence of this carbine. Black was the colour for the Nber5 Rgt, under Frederic, and also for the number 8, whose troopers wore a complete skeleton on their shako, and were consequently called "the Whole death Regiment".This colour was later (1764)abandonned for a dark red, kind of crimson, which was the colour of the origimal Nber 8 Rgt, disbanded after the Seven Years war.
I would suggest another book:
Fredeick the Great's Army. 1 CavalryOsprey Men-at-arms 236. And if you can put an hand on them , and have the buget, there are the excellent "Fanfaro"plates , all devoted to the Prussian Hussars. They were published in Germany, but the complete collection is expensive. Take also a look at Richard Knotel, which is amongst the references indicated in the other posts.
And show us the result!
Henri