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swralph

swralph

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Hi everyone.
Regarding certain threads about not making political statement's (Which I fully agree with)and enjoying the model for what it is Great sculpt/paint etc.We see figures on this site from all history, regardless of being right or wrong, a painted SS soldier for example.I just wondered if British members of this forum could make a constructive comment on a stunningly painted model of a member of the IRA?
Cheers
Ralph
 
I would appreciate the skill and painting, just not the piece.
I am of that generation 70s and 80s but my philosophy obviously will apply to all people who have their likes and dislikes for whatever reason.
As said though, the ability would be appreciated the same as any piece
 
The issue of a political statement comes often when the piece is about recent events. Yet no one was too concerned when pieces were about the wars in Iraq and A-stan. There is nothing shocking in my mind about the Black Dog issues of the 'green men' in Crimea (well done, according to the published B+W pics). Am I making a political statement by assembling and painting these? I don't think so. The associated events are already History, if you follow the news.

What bugs me is sometimes the lack of taste when showing certain pieces. Like the Peninsular War British sergeant and the captured eagle, having a foot on a half corpse (hardly about a recent event)... Yuk. At least the hand sketch on which the piece was based was showing a ...full corpse. [Sketch which was a piece of propaganda at the time, so not sure if the 'scene' had been for real...]. If the piece is showing a character eating a small child, yes, of course, I would be scandalized, yuk, bad taste. Oh! Unless it is Cronus, from the Greek mythology. Good taste and political statement in the miniatures hobby are not simple subjects... Let's all go back to our bench and assemble/paint car models... Well, eco-friendly cars, of course, not the lead-gasoline polluting muscle car of the '60s. And so on...

Cheers,

Patrick
 
Patrick, I am being quite guarded, as to my response. . However, I do have to say that your views on life's history are not without some, validity, and/or, degrees of merit. However, I feel that they truly do not belong to these forum's. As it may cause varying degree's of 'Angst'. and unnecessary argument's. Which PF is not about.

Regards,

Mark
 
Patrick, I think we can both agree that this format of discussion, has been going on for a 'Millennia'. .. and yet there is still no resolve. LOL. .... maybe one day,

( I have Just noted all my, 'Smiley thingies' , have 'Hoofed it). Grrrrrr .

Mark
 
History of man is full of conflict and violence but full of bravery and comradeship as well. "The difference" is never made by a nationality or uniform in my eyes. Therefore I don`t care too much if the subject of my interest is British, Irish or (shock) German:woot: and for the same reason the ever-repeating moan "not another ....." over here is very boring (and sometimes quite arrogant / nationalist).
If there are models made of British soldiers on service in Northern Ireland why should not their counterparts be presented likewise? I never learned that Irish modellers took offence in the models of those British soldiers displayed over here - why should it be the other way round?
Usually the context/scenery a model is displayed or titled creates a message that might be taken as an offence (term "Terrorist" for example or a triumphant pose on top of the dead body of an oponent etc.).
Regularly the following discussions are leading nowhere and are based on emotions.
The same refers to the aggravated discussions about the correct/incorrect button netween the legs of an ancient subject 2000 years ago btw.

I would like to see that IRA-Model NOT stunningly painted and fellow modellers coming up with hints and ideas to improve it - that`s what PF is all about and usually it works that way. My two cents.
Cheers, Martin
 
Thanks for all your comments guys.Personally I would paint and build any model regardless of what they are(if it interests me enough).
But I just love modelling.
 
There can not be any reasonable objection to, nor argument against, any figure being presented on this forum in my opinion unless it's presentation is intended to provoke a particularly sensitive political response or if it's content offends contempory community standards of appropriateness and decency.

It becomes a matter of how raw and recent the combat involved I reckon......personally years ago I used to model a lot of ww1 and ww2 pieces, something hit me hard at one point and I can't bear to even look at those pieces today. So it's all very personal......something we all have to deal with on a personal scale.
 
Tubby-Nuts2 said:
The question is, do you have something evocative in the pipeline ? lol

(Where are my smilie's). Arrggh.

Regards,

Mark
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Not at all.I was just wanting to know if people can really leave politics out of here,and it seems the answer is yes.:)
 
swralph said:
Not at all.I was just wanting to know if people can really leave politics out of here,and it seems the answer is yes.:)
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I don't think it's as simple as the answer is yes, Ralph.
Some of us would like to think we'd judge a piece on it's artistic merits alone,... but any piece that stirs the blood will always cause friction regardless of any noble ideas of an impassionate appraisal....We don't know which pieces will do that until we see them.
 
Mark S said:
I don't think it's as simple as the answer is yes, Ralph.
Some of us would like to think we'd judge a piece on it's artistic merits alone,... but any piece that stirs the blood will always cause friction regardless of any noble ideas of an impassionate appraisal....We don't know which pieces will do that until we see them.
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Quite true.It seems easy to me now since I got rid of all hatred,but I guess people will always have feelings one way or another.
Cheers
Ralph
 
Mark S said:
I don't think it's as simple as the answer is yes, Ralph.
Some of us would like to think we'd judge a piece on it's artistic merits alone,... but any piece that stirs the blood will always cause friction regardless of any noble ideas of an impassionate appraisal....We don't know which pieces will do that until we see them.
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If only I could find those, 15 quotes, you 'Cheekily sent', you would now be in deep trouble! As I am sure there would have been something fitting. LOL!

Regards,

Mark
 
In my very humble opinion every figure could be offensive to some one somewhere in the world at any point in time, (maybe stretching it a bit),
Do we not paint for the love of painting figurines as much as historical facts.
 
Hi Guys ,

Come on there are a lot of ex soldiers here , some (me including) having seen some nasty stuff during the "troubles" .....so by all means Faust do a flat of Bobby Sands ..for your modelling enjoyment only ..................as you might guess there is no way I would do anything IRA ish.

As regards a painted model Ralph ....I would only comment on the painting but would not really want to see this on PF no matter how historically correct ......

I have a large scale head of Hitler (bought to try techniques on) ...but its still in the GA !!

Figure painting is a very personal choice we are in it to enjoy it but I do feel some area's are a little too sensitive.

Nap

PS : This area is something the Mods should keep an eye on IMO
 

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