WIP Detail from The Roll Call, (Bust)

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Hi Keith ,

Looking good ..brave man even attempting sculpting , this should look good painted ...why not try smaller scale as well .

Pete ,

Great stuff from you ..have you the details of the book the page came from ....looks good

Nap
Hi Kevin,
After scouting around and not wanting to pay £215 at Amazon for a copy, I have just bought one from the Grenadiers them selves for £10.

http://grengds.com/static.php?conte...P&cm=1 x The British Grenadiers; &item_number=

Ref:why not try a smaller scale as well. My last sculpt was a Drummer boy of the 7th Fusiliers 1812 to accompany Pete Morton's 200mm Officer of the same regiment. That said, you are right I do favour the larger bust. No pun intended but but take it as you please.......I do.
Cheers Mate.

Hi Pete,
Thanks for the book and author details Mate, It looks like a great point of reference.
All the best.
Keith
 
Hi Keith,
been watching from the wings so to speak, I've waited an age for some one to sculpt this,yours at 400mm its a biggie,but turning out well I look forward to the end game,I'm hungry like that, I recall a conversation with David Grieve many years ago that he really fancied sculpting this but thought it would not be viable? Really David!
He talked the other year about coming out of retirement and starting his old business again?????????? Oddly he's judging at Euro this year,keeping he's eye on the game may be.
Hat off to you for using MILLIPUT have you used aves or magic sculpt,both the dogs do da to use but hey your managing top results with what your using.
I look forward to more up dates!
Best Regards
Paul
 
Thanks for looking in Paul.
Your comments are too kind, I am probably only on the first rung of the ladder compared to you and miles away skill wise. I have been advised to try one of the other puttys but have not yet done so.
There is a lot of positive talk here about David mostly saying that his figures still stand up against todays offerings. At one stage I was buying nothing but his pieces. It would be really great if he were to return to the fold, truly a gentleman and a very nice guy to boot. So my fingers are crossed for his return.

As an aside from figures, my partner, Geraldine Snelgrove sends her regards to you. She says that you knew each other through Mum being life long friends with her aunt. Small world?

Thanks again Paul, coming from someone with your skills is praise indeed.
All the very best,
Keith
 
Hi Keith,
Indeed a very small world, technology has made it even smaller,my regards to the better half, we would bump in to each other at aunt M's when we were children.
My mum passed three years ago, aunt M's passing left a hole in my world, she was a ferm link to my childhood and alway told me how it is! Bless.
Keep up the good work, be nice to catch up in person.
Best Regards
Paul
 
Hello Guys,
Just a brief up date.
I have fitted the greatcoat and buttons bar a thin section at thr rear below the cape. There is still a way to go on this but it does give a little better feel to the piece.
As his head is bandaged I thought to have the chin strap loose but I am not too sure now? I think it needs to be thinner and a lot more detail showing the adjustment etc.
Lots more to do but I hope you like it so far.
Cheers,
Keith

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Hi Keith,
What an utter transformation, this has jumped up a level, the grey coat really does pull the whole piece together and rather smartly if I may add. If it was me I would leave the chin strap loose mate, justs adds another dimension with the head been bandaged. I'm not sure what the straps are supposed to be like? but if you could get it a touch thinner it would lift it again.
You can tell you have put a lot of effort into the detail of the buttons, collar and cap badge insignia. The draping of the coat looks on the money too. Love this unique piece you must be pleasantly pleased with the way this is going.
Crack on mate I want to see this finished and some colour on him.(y)(y)(y) Forgot to add that face is Victorian character personified.
cheers
Richie
 
Hi Keith ,

Nice stuff mate , my thoughts are (for what they are worth!!!) ...I would loose the strap hanging personally ...if not then yes it needs to be thinner and more details ...and just bulk of the sleeves on the greatcoat a bit and extend the shoulder pieces they look a bit too small

Brave man doing this , it would make a really good subject to release ..loads of characters in the picture of The Roll Call to consider .

Nice detail on the collar grenades and I like the angle of the head ...and his look

Hope this is going to have some paint on him ...soon


Thanks for sharing

Nap
 
I would be looking at some real leather shaved thin for the chin strap, or daft as it sounds have you looked in toy shops at Doll's shoes in this scale you might find something ? really love the way it's coming together Keith quality work mate (y)
Steve
 
Hi Gentlemen,
Many thanks for looking in on my efforts for this piece and taking the time to comment.
However it does not help with the chinstrap question when two of you say keep and the other two say loose it.:confused:
I think that I will re modle it across the front of the cap, as with the forage cap.

Hi Richie,
Thanks for your supportive words mate, they always make it all worth while. You know what I mean, when you are looking at the figure day in and day out not to mention the nights, it sometimes all looks wrong.
The buttons are not so difficult. what I do is make one of each size needed on a small stick of Milliput. Then using a two part moulding compound, that I heard of from Daniel (pFs Marquis Mini), I make an open mould. then I just impress Milliput in to the mould.
Yes Mate I am quietly pleased with the way this is going.
Thanks Mate always good to hear from you.

Hi Kevin,
Thanks for your kind comments and good advice my friend. I sculpted the sleeves to look like the painting but I agree that a bit of filling out will not go amiss. That said though I do not want to extend the shoulders too much more than they are. I think I can achieve what you are saying.
As for releasing it, I didn,t sculpt it with casting in mind and will not be going down that road myself but I am open to offers.
Painting is looking to be on the cards but Richie and I are moving up through the ranks of the 1st Battalion The Slow brigade, having at least 6 figures WIP.
Thanks for you help with referencing some of the details for me. You are the Keeper of an endless string of valuable info.
You are a Diamond Kevin.

Hi Pete,
Thanks for you kind words Mate .....and the greatcoat pun.
Again thank you for sharing you vast knowledge of the British Guards Division to help me through some of the difficult bits and bobs. As an aside, I did get a copy of the Grenadiers book that you scaned parts of for me. Problem they would only post to the UK and I am in France :sick:.
Cheers Mate, I am sure that I will give you the chance to help me again.

Hi Steve,
Cheers Mate, you alway make me smile with whatever you comment on. Thanks for being so positive with your views.
As for daft, NEVER. Believe it or not, and you may not remember, In my stash I have a Nag that I purchased from The Early Learning Centre. This was a result of some advice you were giving to Ron Tamburrini ages ago.
I plan, some time to convert it to be the mount of 215 Sqd. Sgt Major J H Green.........
It fits Perfectly Mate
Sqd Sgt Major J H Green.jpg



Thank you all, you are a great source of inspiration. perspiration
All the very best,
Keith
 
Hi Keith,
If you want that book and they will not post to France, if you PM me the details I can order if for you and forward it on if you want.(y) Or give me the details and I will see if I can find a copy elsewhere who will post to France.:)
cheers
Richie
 
Hi Richie,
Sorry Mate I didn't make myself very clear. This is the book I was looking for. I managed to get a copy direct from the Grenadiers themselves at the same price. I had it sent to my daughters house but I won't be there until the end of September. The GG's would not ship to France.
You are a true friend Mate going to such trouble for me. I am humbled by your thoughtfulness.
Thank you. Speak soon,
Keith
 
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Hi Keith ,

Shucks ..a diamond ...a rough one at that !!!! always a pleasure to see your posts and help in anyway .

If you want me to look ref the cap let me know

Get the brushes out

Nap
 
Hi Kevin,

It’s so long since I waved a paint brush I will have a job to find them.

I am still a little lost on the chevrons and colour sergeant’s badges worn on the greatcoat. One guy on the Victorian Wars Forum referred to Downey’s book "The Badges of Warrant and Non-commissioned Rank". He says it states that in 1806 "an order (which also appears to extend the use of greatcoats with distinctive collars and cuffs to the rest of the army, except the Household Cavalry) sanctioned the wearing, on the right sleeve of that garment, of chevrons of the same pattern as were worn on the regimental coat." Then, under the section devoted to Foot Guards, he goes on, “The orders instituting chevrons, introducing greatcoats with distinctive collars, cuffs and buttons for Sergeants, and sanctioning the wearing of chevrons with greatcoats applied also to the Foot Guards. For Non-Commissioned Officers above the rank of Corporal the bars of the chevrons were formed of gold double lace edged with dark blue; for Corporals of white double lace similarly edged." He then goes on to say that if the pattern of badge for Colour Sergeants sanctioned for Infantry of the Line was ever worn by the Foot Guards it would have only been for a short time, being replaced by their own designs. From here on no mention is made of badges on greatcoats until the 1881 regulations. From this it is reasonable to assume that the Guards were wearing gold badges on the greatcoats with the appropriate Colour Sergeant's badge for the Grenadiers during the Crimean War.

Another Lad says that the badges were so expensive that they would not have been issued for greatcoats. Confusing but I have written to Andrew Witton at the Guards Museum a await his comment on the issue.

In regard to the cap, I guess that if the full gold chevrons were worn the cap would have a gold cap band, if not I assume it to be red. Any clarification and detail of the gold pattern you may be able to find would be most helpful Mate.

All the very best Kevin,
Keith
 
I would imagine at that period and mentality the cost would be a minor point in relation to the Guards and if anybody was/is a stickler for toeing the Regimental line it has to be them.
Steve
 
I would imagine at that period and mentality the cost would be a minor point in relation to the Guards and if anybody was/is a stickler for toeing the Regimental line it has to be them.
Steve

Hi Steve,
I do hope so......I really wan to have a crack at that colour sergeants badge and I think that it would look pretty good on the drab greatcoat.
How does artistic licence go down on pF Mate?
Keith
 
Goes down fine with me mate I go for the look of the thing as much as reality within reason and you appear to have Q.R.'s on your side as well, I'm a medieval buff really but I am happy to see wonderfully drawn heraldry in vivid colours on a figure despite knowing in reality they were mostly rather crudely done due to the limitations of the equipment used. I'm sure one of the regular critics will be along soon to bitch about it in any case :sneaky:
Steve
 
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