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Tubby-Nuts2

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I maybe shot to bits on this one! :eek:However, (Tally-Ho, Chin-Chin) &. frrpp.

Figure postures?

I recently asked a well known 'Figure producer'. Who is active on this site, about the possibility of a 'Prone', figure. My example being. =
colbert.jpg 'Tom Plunkett', of the 95th! who stuffed ' General Colbert', and his 'Drum Major', as well..:wideyed:.. The response was being along the lines of 'of dis-interest' in possible sales, because of the horizontal posture??

The point being,. Is this truly the case? We have vertical, dynamic, and passive, by the shed-load! (In all Genres). But very few, in the way of sitting or lying flat! (either active or passive).

Any thoughts would be appreciated! ;)

My 'Nuts', may yet again be in the firing line! ... But, 'Hey-Ho'.

Mark.
 
I see no difference in Tom Plunkett along with a load of other notable military Icons available at the moment from a number of manufacturers. I think the era of the figure though would dictate the market.
Mlck
 
..I recently asked a well known 'Figure producer'. Who is active on this site, about the possibility of a 'Prone', figure...The response was being along the lines of 'of dis-interest' in possible sales, because of the horizontal posture??...

I can see that a manufacturer might make that point, given the investment up front and trying to calculate sales afterwards. There are a couple of options, though. If he doesn't want to bear the up-front costs, he could make use of crowdsourcing, such as soliciting investment ("subscriptions", perhaps) online, from those who back up their expressed interest with money. Or he bears the costs and prices accordingly (the traditional model).

For me, the fact that there are things I want, that aren't likely to be brought on the market, ever, gives me impetus to learn how to sculpt. There are a couple of subjects that have never been done in 54mm, fully round, so, I'd like to try to sculpt masters, make molds and cast them, myself. It's fun for me to learn to do this.

Prost!
Brad
 
Agree Graham, that said I would imagine lying figures are less appealing to the mass marked visually
Steve

;), Steve!

That's the question! .. why? The detail would be the same. Are we so hung-up on the 'Vertical', with it's posture, and its dynamics? Oh! and 'Cabinet', presence!

As an example! imagine this posture in, 'Napoleonic', 'Roman', 'Zulu-War', whatever! doing the same thing! .. Writing /Reading/Looking, ..

$_35.jpg ?

It would seem only 'Verlinden', was brave enough to tackle such an issue! .. How many years ago?

Mark
 
Seil did this one, but I don't think it set the world on fire. It's still available from Historex Agents, along with most of the other ho-hum stuff that Seil did (all their decent stuff like their Landsknechts and Vikings sold out long ago).

seil irish.jpg


- Steve
 
I can see that a manufacturer might make that point, given the investment up front and trying to calculate sales afterwards. There are a couple of options, though. If he doesn't want to bear the up-front costs, he could make use of crowdsourcing, such as soliciting investment ("subscriptions", perhaps) online, from those who back up their expressed interest with money. Or he bears the costs and prices accordingly (the traditional model).


Prost!
Brad

It would be interesting to get the opinion from a manufacturer about supporters investing in the production of a figure, and what sort of returns such investor could expect if said figure takes off. As the idea been used before and was it successful .???
I can imagine such a project could create a tot of chiefs and no indians.

Mick
 
I was told by one leading manufacturer that my Drummer Boy, Colesburg, 1900 (the one based on a photograph, writing home) was not animated enough to sell well - It did, though, in spite of this!(y)
 
It would be interesting to get the opinion from a manufacturer about supporters investing in the production of a figure, and what sort of returns such investor could expect if said figure takes off. As the idea been used before and was it successful .???
I can imagine such a project could create a tot of chiefs and no indians.

Mick

I think we've had a couple of Planeteers who are figure manufacturers share posts for Kickstarter and similar crowdsourcing for their own projects, haven't we? Maybe they'll respond here about the advantages or disadvantages.

As far as control over the project goes, I don't think crowdsourcing creates any issues that we don't already have with the traditional.....model (no pun), to raise funds, which is selling shares in an enterprise--the stock corporation. If a manufacturer sells shares, and then lets his investors start pushing him around, it's his own fault, not a fault of the mechanism to raise funds. The canny maker will have an ironclad agreement prepared, and by joining the venture, you agree to its terms and conditions.

In a case like this, though, what I recall seeing is someone publishing what is essentially the finished figure, and then asking for interested parties to contribute. In a way, it's almost like pre-ordering a product, before it's produced.

Prost!
Brad
 
However, the basic question being! Is there an interest in the 'prone', and/or, relaxing figure's? Or is it a case of either 'Parade-Ground', or 'Combat'.????

I am not sure how to do 'Poll's'. So a, 'Yes vs No', will suffice. :D

Mark.
 
Brad.
I was working on the lines of punters approaching a manufacturer wanting a figure produced as opposed to a manufacturer seeking investors to finance his own project.
I do feel it is an option and would very much like to hear a manufacturers view.
Mick
 
However, the basic question being! Is there an interest in the 'prone', and/or, relaxing figure's? Or is it a case of either 'Parade-Ground', or 'Combat'.????

I am not sure how to do 'Poll's'. So a, 'Yes vs No', will suffice. :D

Mark.


Sorry Mark. I have to say maybe Tom Plunkett Def a YES the other two examples shown NO.

Mick
 
What are your thoughts on Piper Findlater VC .Gordon Highlanders 1897 Wounded on the Heights of Dargai. This has it all Prone, Colourful, Heroic, and Action and a kilt to boot what more could a figure painter require
Mick

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Hello, this has been considered as a means to possibly cover more obscure subjects but really was found not viable.

The only problem that arises is that in order to fully show the subject and to rightly show the finished piece to potential participants, the figure would already have to be sculpted and invested in.

If it was taken from initial conception then fear is that individuals would possibly have different ideas to its direction and possibly alienating some potential participants, something as a single manufacturer we tackle ourselves.

From a costing side based on how we work on a 120mm, with the master sculpt, moulds and resin, then a minimum of 35 guaranteed sales would be required to more or less break even on initial outlay and to bring a figure to each participant.

This would not take into account labour ie making of moulds, moulding and casting or postage.

Of course there may be means to reduce this for others but hopefully this gives an idea, it is also pretty generic across scales and busts in proportion to the number of sales required to break even.
At present 35 sales of any piece can take several months to reach, sometimes it exceeds that number and sometimes it does fall short.
Thank you
 
Thanks Gra, for taking the trouble to reply very enlightening . I think the hardest thing to take on board ( But I dont doubt you for one Second) With the quality of yours and a few other manufacturers figures why it should take so long to reach sales figures, but its not down to quality ,,its individual taste which brings us back to square one.
Thanks
Mick
 
Brad.
I was working on the lines of punters approaching a manufacturer wanting a figure produced as opposed to a manufacturer seeking investors to finance his own project.
I do feel it is an option and would very much like to hear a manufacturers view.
Mick

Damn this common language that separates us! :D Sorry, Mick, I understood it the other way.

Prost!
Brad
 
However! the bottom line is, this idea or thought meets with a, 'Less than a enthusiastic response', ..which equates to a 'No'.

Its a shame, I thought it would have had more legs, (Even if lying down).;) ...

Oh, well! we move on.

Mark.
 
Mark, I think lying figures are hard to display, which makes them less atractive to view. You'd need to tilt the base and figure to see it.
You'd also need a relatively large base, which, in my opinion, results in not-so-estaetic proportions in the composition.
Composition-wise, lying figures are also rather two-dimensional, basically being bumps in the groundwork. A nice display would need some vertical elements at least. A standing figure is much more three-dimensional.

Anyway, just my thoughts on your question.

Cheers
Adrian
 

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