OldTaff
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Colin, we have coincidence after coincidence ! My grandfather was also in the RFC in France; ground crew, not a fly-boy.
Cheers, Alan
Cheers, Alan
French Napoleonic Period Cavalry Harness
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Getting back to the original topic - I've news. I questioned Mr Leibowitz himself yesterday and this afternoon after the show I went to Les Invalides which is largely based on Detaille's collection of first Empite militaria.
Guard horse artillery officer red waistcoat is based on existing one in the Musee de l'Empiri.
Secondly I went to Les Invalides to study horse harnesses. Of the three samples there all have one buckle only. Riding reins have two. I guess it was a mixture.
FYI Montrouge show was great and lots of recent and new figures, busts etc available. Competition of very high standard but I thought fewer entries that in the past- Stresa effect I guess. Got some good things of course and a couple of plates and books. Tonight Hard a Rock for dinner and train home tomorrow.
Cheers for now
Huw
Getting back to the original topic - I've news. I questioned Mr Leibowitz himself yesterday and this afternoon after the show I went to Les Invalides which is largely based on Detaille's collection of first Empite militaria.
Guard horse artillery officer red waistcoat is based on existing one in the Musee de l'Empiri.
Secondly I went to Les Invalides to study horse harnesses. Of the three samples there all have one buckle only. Riding reins have two. I guess it was a mixture.
FYI Montrouge show was great and lots of recent and new figures, busts etc available. Competition of very high standard but I thought fewer entries that in the past- Stresa effect I guess. Got some good things of course and a couple of plates and books. Tonight Hard a Rock for dinner and train home tomorrow.
Cheers for now
Huw
ChaosCossack
A Fixture
When you say one buckle, you mean the rein is fixed on one side of the bit and buckled on the other, where the riding rein is buckled on both sides? If that is the case, which side is the buckle on? and is that the upper or lower rein?
I sometimes get turned around with the harness... very complex and convoluted subject
I sometimes get turned around with the harness... very complex and convoluted subject
It really isn't very clear.
The rein attached uppermost is the snaffle rein used for training in the French army but in the British army also used in conjunction with the riding rein. On the French ones I've seen today the buckle is on the left side facing of the horse's head (facing forwards of course). But if I recall on the British harness there was a buckle on both sides of the snaffle reins so in some French units there is a possibility that there could be a buckle on both sides depending on supplier though they were supposed to follow a standard pattern.
The riding reins are the ones attached to the bottom of the bits (furthest away from horses mouth) and both sides had buckles.
This is the result of my research on the topic and what I will follow with builds until someone appears with other evidence.
If it's unclear I will try to upload some pics this week.
Cheers
Huw
P.s. Hard Rock was good. Pigalle is interesting...
The rein attached uppermost is the snaffle rein used for training in the French army but in the British army also used in conjunction with the riding rein. On the French ones I've seen today the buckle is on the left side facing of the horse's head (facing forwards of course). But if I recall on the British harness there was a buckle on both sides of the snaffle reins so in some French units there is a possibility that there could be a buckle on both sides depending on supplier though they were supposed to follow a standard pattern.
The riding reins are the ones attached to the bottom of the bits (furthest away from horses mouth) and both sides had buckles.
This is the result of my research on the topic and what I will follow with builds until someone appears with other evidence.
If it's unclear I will try to upload some pics this week.
Cheers
Huw
P.s. Hard Rock was good. Pigalle is interesting...
ChaosCossack
A Fixture
Thanx Huw
So many terms and configurations of straps and buckles... chaotic at best.
I always assumed the placement of buckles on both sides of both reins facilitated the replacing of damaged, cut or worn out reins without needing to restitch the rein onto the bit loops. See what happens when you assume?
Thanks for the info
Colin
So many terms and configurations of straps and buckles... chaotic at best.
I always assumed the placement of buckles on both sides of both reins facilitated the replacing of damaged, cut or worn out reins without needing to restitch the rein onto the bit loops. See what happens when you assume?
Thanks for the info
Colin
OldTaff
PlanetFigure Supporter
Great stuff, Huw,.....yes, I ,too, noticed harness/ rein differences on my visits to Les Invalides. Detaille's and Leliepvre's paintings are pretty much what I always use for French troops. Eugene Leliepvre's illustrations for the Historex kits are "go-to" references for the various types;- he was an old cavalryman, so, rightly or wrongly, I respect his knowledge.
Pigalle is always interesting. Moulin Rouge was spectacular when we last went
Cheers, Alan
Pigalle is always interesting. Moulin Rouge was spectacular when we last wentCheers, Alan
Alan
Wasn't thinking of the Moulin Rouge exactly
I thinks there really is more research required on this. Btw bought a new release from Scorpio miniatures in Germany at the show and it definitely needs some corrections in the harnessing area!
Us three must aim to meet in Chicago 2017 I think.
Cheers for now
Huw - man on dash to get home before SWMBO to hide some purchases !
Wasn't thinking of the Moulin Rouge exactly
I thinks there really is more research required on this. Btw bought a new release from Scorpio miniatures in Germany at the show and it definitely needs some corrections in the harnessing area!
Us three must aim to meet in Chicago 2017 I think.
Cheers for now
Huw - man on dash to get home before SWMBO to hide some purchases !
OldTaff
PlanetFigure Supporter
I know you're both worried about me but I got home first. So hid a lot and when asked "how nuts did you go?" Just said I got a couple of figures... Nothing's more was said especially after I mentioned my new book which includes the weather during the 100 biggest battles and engagements of the grand armee I got a funny look and no more was said... So I'm still intact
Cheers
Huw
Cheers
Huw
Colin_Fraser
PlanetFigure Supporter
Colin, we have coincidence after coincidence ! My grandfather was also in the RFC in France; ground crew, not a fly-boy.
Cheers, Alan
Same here. He was an ACII fitter who came from a very poor family in Montgomery. He was transferred into the RAF on its first day from the RFC. He finished up as Chief of the Staffordshire Fire Service with a KPFSM and an OBE, in part for his efforts in Coventry 1940. Guess he did well given his beginnings
ChaosCossack
A Fixture
That's the idea Huw... if you bore the hell outta them they lose interest quickly
Definitely Chicago 2017!!! You and Alan can rent bikes here at the Harley dealership and ride to Chicago from Toronto... Only a twelve hour ride give or take.
Definitely Chicago 2017!!! You and Alan can rent bikes here at the Harley dealership and ride to Chicago from Toronto... Only a twelve hour ride give or take.
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