Completed German Barbarian - Pegaso 75mm
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Certainly colourful, a bit fantasy. Some very nice freehand though.
Carl.
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jbarrientos
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I mostly used as guide the reference from Pegaso (http://www.pegasomodels.it/productdetails_en.asp?id=281), and also documentation from Osprey. I thought that it was more realistic than the original from Pegaso.
Could you point in which way it looks fantasy?
pipetrepid
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javier, nice work! bill
gordy
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Nice work Javier, thanks for sharing 
Hello Javier, I think the colours are far too vivid for vegetable dyed fabric.
Carl.
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Hans
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I really like the painting. I would not had chosen complete white hair, but that's matter of personal taste. I also would say that it is quite a fantasy character as most details are not based on any sort of evidence (f.e. the scale armour etc) and I really don't know why any "barbarian" must have overweight and a long beard.
Concerning the colours: It's quite possible to achieve brilliant, deep and vidid colours with natural dyes. Artificial dying was invented in the very end of the 19th century and nobody denies bright colours in the Napoleonic era. Of course some chemical processes were better understood and the dyes were coming (nearly) from around the globe, but colors were deep and vivid.
In the early pre-mediveal ages the dying was more tricky, but is was possible. Take a look at these dyed wool, which was was dyed with iron age dyes and techniques ( Lejre Museum Denmark).
Concerning the colours: It's quite possible to achieve brilliant, deep and vidid colours with natural dyes. Artificial dying was invented in the very end of the 19th century and nobody denies bright colours in the Napoleonic era. Of course some chemical processes were better understood and the dyes were coming (nearly) from around the globe, but colors were deep and vivid.
In the early pre-mediveal ages the dying was more tricky, but is was possible. Take a look at these dyed wool, which was was dyed with iron age dyes and techniques ( Lejre Museum Denmark).
Redcap
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Nice work - the shield looks very well indeed!
Gary
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jbarrientos
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I really like the painting. I would not had chosen complete white hair, but that's matter of personal taste. I also would say that it is quite a fantasy character as most details are not based on any sort of evidence (f.e. the scale armour etc) and I really don't know why any "barbarian" must have overweight and a long beard.
Concerning the colours: It's quite possible to achieve brilliant, deep and vidid colours with natural dyes. Artificial dying was invented in the very end of the 19th century and nobody denies bright colours in the Napoleonic era. Of course some chemical processes were better understood and the dyes were coming (nearly) from around the globe, but colors were deep and vivid.
In the early pre-mediveal ages the dying was more tricky, but is was possible. Take a look at these dyed wool, which was was dyed with iron age dyes and techniques ( Lejre Museum Denmark).
Thanks for the info. I don't really know in depth the process of natural dye, thought I understood that colors like blue and red were obtained from flowers, which is also used nowadays and as stated, its posible to obtain vivid colours.
About scale armor, is about the character wearing it, or the color? I really can't do a thing about the model, but I can improve my historical resources.
Thanks for everything thought
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Javier, nearly all dyes at these times came from plants, some are from animals (the most rare and expensive....).
Scale armour: I am not a real expert in germanic artifacts, but as far as I know there are no finds of scale armour in germanic context at this time. The figure is wearing a roman helmet and a roman dagger, which dates him somewhere from the 1st century up to the middle of the 2nd century. Scale armour was in use by the romans, but usually the scales had a different form....and if this was a war booty....he would have to aquire some extra scales to make it wider.... ;-))). I am not fully informed which form the scales had from the Musov germanic grave, dating to the Marcommanic wars around 180, but in general it would have been on the "safe" side to gave him a mail shirt or a roman style scale shirt with half-round scales. But this may be a little bit nit-picking...
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Scale armour: I am not a real expert in germanic artifacts, but as far as I know there are no finds of scale armour in germanic context at this time. The figure is wearing a roman helmet and a roman dagger, which dates him somewhere from the 1st century up to the middle of the 2nd century. Scale armour was in use by the romans, but usually the scales had a different form....and if this was a war booty....he would have to aquire some extra scales to make it wider.... ;-))). I am not fully informed which form the scales had from the Musov germanic grave, dating to the Marcommanic wars around 180, but in general it would have been on the "safe" side to gave him a mail shirt or a roman style scale shirt with half-round scales. But this may be a little bit nit-picking...
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rheath
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Hi Javier, I like it and congratulate your completion, a small crit, I find it a little too light on the colours to my eye, just MHO.
jbarrientos
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Thanks to all!
