WIP Imperial Guard Chasseur (or not)

[NeilW]

Just one question. I thought the cords were used to stop headgear falling off and being lost...

Yes, I think that was the original purpose but by the Empire they used chin straps/scales to serve that purpose.

BTW: since retiring my time is cheap

 

[Nap]

Yes, I think that was the original purpose but by the Empire they used chin straps/scales to serve that purpose.

BTW: since retiring my time is cheap

Cheap maybe .....but valued information ..keep it coming


Of course you could you coukd just paint the cords as a senior officer or a as a fashion conscious hussar ......whichever or whatever you decide you will have a great display piece

Bring on the next release Stu

Happy benchtime

Nap

 

[NeilW]

Of course you could you coukd just paint the cords as a senior officer or a as a fashion conscious hussar

Exactly: yer pays yer money...

 

[Viking Bob]

Thought I would add to the mix

 

[Viking Bob]

 

[NeilW]

And two from Jean-Michel Chevalier who was a serving officer in the Chasseur of the Guard and at times escorted the man himself.

https://www.napoleon.org/histoire-des-2-empires/objets/memoires-voyages-et-campagnes-en-europe-depuis-legypte-jusquau-desastre-de-waterloo/

 

[NeilW]

Thought I would add to the mix

Ah, Rousselot... magnifique.

Last time his book was discussed (https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/lucien-rousselot-napoleons-army-1790-1815.186474/)
Fogie gave this useful slink (sic):

 

[Nap]

Hi Bob

Great references all of them

Everyone should put the references into PF research forum as well

I can only imagine the honour felt by Jean-Michel Chevalier

Happy days

Nap

Here's the link to another members SBS

https://www.planetfigure.com/thread...sseurs-a-cheval-of-the-imperial-guard.200404/

https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/chasseurs-a-cheval-hunters-on-horseback.202886/

 

[Richard Baxter]

Yes, I think that was the original purpose but by the Empire they used chin straps/scales to serve that purpose.



BTW: since retiring my time is cheap

If I remember correctly, the Eclaireur Dragoons, who wore a tall, tapered shako with a leather chinstrap, had additional cords which wrapped around the body to stop the headgear being lost.

 

[Viking Bob]

Ah, Rousselot... magnifique.

Last time his book was discussed (https://www.planetfigure.com/threads/lucien-rousselot-napoleons-army-1790-1815.186474/)
Fogie gave this useful slink (sic):

These are prints from Browns institute in the states

 

[Geoff Charman]

Cheap maybe .....but valued information ..keep it coming


Of course you could you coukd just paint the cords as a senior officer or a as a fashion conscious hussar ......whichever or whatever you decide you will have a great display piece

Bring on the next release Stu

Happy benchtime

Nap

That is just what I am doing Nap, senior officer and with hair extensions as he was an ex hussar.

There certainly is some great reference material coming out from this busts "faults".

Great work Guys and thanks.
Geoff

 

[Cannonball]

Nice work Neal and great references.
Gordon

Thanks Gordon.

Neal

 

[Cannonball]

Dear Confused of Seaton,

I did a pretty comprehensive search of my reference works and online when this issue was raised. Fair enough that Cannonball gives refs with cords, but the first is of Consulate troops (no dispute that they had them-see * below) and the others are by Carle Vernet (pub. 1821) showing senior officers, who may well have blinged up their outfits and the other by Nicolaus Hoffman (died 1823) of what appears to be an atypical trooper. Both are prettywell contemporary to the period so must be taken seriously.

However, other than senior officers and trumpeters (as with two from Taconville below), I found pretty-well no representations of colbacks with cords..

I've given some refs below but my judgement is that this must be a senior enough officer to get away with upgrading up his uniform with some extra bling... by no means impossible and doesn't detract from a fantastic piece of sculpting (perhaps except for the raquettes/flounders)

Here's the one in Les Invalides:
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Here's a selection (not all Garde, but illustrate the point), including Gericault's painting of 1812, near contemporary plates by Marbot (1840s) plus well known ones from Taconville (1900s) and well researched works from Houroulle, Girbal and Courcelle and Jouineau and Mongin.... there are many more sans cord, eg see HERE:

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(worth reading the text of this last one to see the 'theory' of dress regulations)

And here's Historex's refs, which I've always taken as well researched:

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*Ref Canonball's ref if from Men-at-Arms 444 and if you look at the double page spread it reveals Empire troops, sans cords:
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Thanks for this Neil, some great additional reference material you’ve added which will hopefully benefit others tackling this bust. This is the great thing about this site.


Neal

 

[Cannonball]

These are prints from Browns institute in the states

Great addition Bob- I have the book of Rousselot’s plates of the Imperial Guard and some great pictures which I did refer to when researching this.

Neal

 

[Cannonball]

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They’re the ones Bob. Lovely pictures.

Neal

 

[Cannonball]

Some more progress on this one. I’ve made a start on the colpack and pelisse. Still got the flamme and plume to do and some washes/detailing on the lacework. Apologies for the photos but hopefully it gives an idea how things are progressing.

 

[misfit151]

Coming on a pace Neal.....cracking painting.... Mike

 

[Cannonball]

Coming on a pace Neal.....cracking painting.... Mike

Thanks very much Mike, it’s really appreciated.


Neal

 

[Gary_81]

Great painting and this thread really is a fascinating read to.

Gary

 

[Nap]

Looking very flamboyant there Neal

To see a whole Regt in full dress impost have been incredible and very much as eyeful for the ladies

Thanks for sharing

Nap