First of all, Pay-Pal are 100% owned by e-bay, it's their major method of financial transactions for e-bay. So, by disrupting, and throwing doubt onto Pay=pal as an "Honnest Broker" WITHIN THE SELLING/BUYING comunity, you directly cast doubt on ALL Pay-Pal's credibility. This IS a situation they have to address, and pay attention too. Claude, by sitting back and taking the view that we cant do anything about it,just plays into their mind=set. I've PROVED it It can work, and we'll have a much bigger chance of stopping thi, not completely, but get them on our side, it makes it much harder for them to ignore the situation. Dont forget, the crime is being perpetrated on THEIR SITE they are actively helping in fraudulent activities, and they need to be made aware of this by as many people as possible, in a helpfull way to stop them participating in this Fraud. Ray Stout