New 1/10 British 17th Light Dragoon Trumpeter 1777 TFB Miniatures

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Steve headley

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Hi all thought I would give you a preview of our forthcoming 1/10 Bust. Thus one represents a British 17th Light Dragoon 1777. It was sculpted by our good friend Greg Girault.

The bust is taken from a forth coming 75mm Mounted piece which I will post when ready. I will post again when we are ready to ship.

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team

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Hi Malc he just can’t resist lol. You might not be able to resist Malc when you see the mounted version.

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
Hi nap it was on the cards for the mounted figure but we decided he was in battle so it would not work. But this just might work on the Bust. We shall see .

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
Yes that was the original thought so we shall see, still work been done on the mounted piece so we shall see

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
Yes that was the original thought so we shall see, still work been done on the mounted piece so we shall see

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team


Liking this more and more ...definately order will be made

Ref trumpet .....I might be wrong but thought the underpiece was longer than sculpted ...looking at the Simpkin plate in last post


Nap
 
While it’s still at the CAD stage, perhaps you might think again about the trumpet. It’s likely that in the 1770s they were still using the single-loop long model trumpet , as shown in the Troiani picture. The short model, double loop type doesn’t appear in any pictures that I’ve seen until after 1800. Simkin's work, though very nice, is often somewhat mistaken, and I'm not sure where the more recent painter got his info.
If there's someone who knows of a contemporary 1770s picture showing the double-loop short model I should be very interested to see it, and will willingly eat humble pie.
The famous Stubbs painting of the 10th LD of 1793 shows the long model . I have such an instrument, and to help with scale , it’s 28” from the lip of the bell to the back bow. The mouthpiece pipe normally stuck out beyond that for a couple of inches .
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The front bow of the tubing normally went right up to the lip of the bell at this date, to which it was wired for strength .
The Light Dragoons also had hornists, playing French-style hunting horns, and being Dragoons they also had drummers , but I think those were dropped fairly early on.
A hornist can be seen on p.47 of Barthorp’s” British Cavalry Uniforms” .
 
Cracking bust Steve, best sort a bicorne for Kev or he'll convert it and get himself in a right old pickle!

Cheers Simon
 
Cracking bust Steve, best sort a bicorne for Kev or he'll convert it and get himself in a right old pickle!

Cheers Simon

I’ll have you know bicornes are my specialty.......NOT !!!!...LOL

That’s some fine information from Tony , it’s my opinion the trumpet needs to change , the current one looks later in style

Nap
 
Hi Tony, thank you for the info Greg was working from the Don Trioni art work and a couple of others. He did a longer version and was told to shorten it a bit. I will bat it back to him and see where we are with it. I know it was a guy in the States that pulled it up so we shall have to work this one out.

Simon might just leave the tricorn out to give Nap something to do lol.

Nap I know you will tinker with it anyway lol

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
Hi Tony, thank you for the info Greg was working from the Don Trioni art work and a couple of others. He did a longer version and was told to shorten it a bit. I will bat it back to him and see where we are with it. I know it was a guy in the States that pulled it up so we shall have to work this one out.

Simon might just leave the tricorn out to give Nap something to do lol.

Nap I know you will tinker with it anyway lol

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team


Hi Steve

Personally my thoughts are the trumpet needs to be like Tony’s ref .....or you could change the instrument to a hunting horn .....now that would be original to have

Pic below from the header page on the link I gave

“Something to do” ....”tinker with” ........not me

Nap

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Nap, Tony the trumpet has now been changed on both the Bust and the mounted piece thanks for pointing it out.

Below is a sneak preview of the 75mm version

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team

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Steve, Thanks for taking my suggestions in the spirit in which they were offered, but I can't actually see the difference : the tubing needs to go round once, not twice as you have there( if I can see that properly) and the front bow needs to go right up to the lip of the bell. Otherwise it won't be long enough as a trumpet : the total tube length has to be about 88" for the pitch to come out right, and to be able to get all the notes in the trumpet calls. The length is not a matter of choice : it if ain't long enough you can't play it. I say that as a man who has been playing natural trumpets like this for fifty years.
The overall length comes out at about 30"including the mouthpiece, for the single loop instrument, and as I remarked before, and we don't have any evidence for double loop instruments in the 1770s.. The best contemporary pic we have is the Stubbs, that's the one to copy, which is what Don Troani appears to have done.
Here's my replica of an English trumpet made in 1665: OK, rather earlier, but as far as we know there was no real change until after 1800. This is effectively identical to the one carried in the Stubbs painting, apart from the large silver boss in the middle, which would be much smaller and simpler, and the instrument would be entirely of brass and without the fancy silver ferrules :

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The silver State trumpets still used by the Lifeguards are virtually identical in size and layout, apart from the addition of couple of strengthening stays :

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Hi Tony I will pass it on again I don’t think it’s been printed yet but I could be wrong. Rest assured we will re look at things.

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team
 
Hi Tony I will pass it on again I don’t think it’s been printed yet but I could be wrong. Rest assured we will re look at things.

Steve

TFB Miniatures Team


That’s great to hear ......thanks for the response , this is what PF is about , sharing information...better to get it right !

Great response from Tony again

Nap
 

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