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You must be doing something wrong somehow Rob, because I use one now and then and it holds the pieces as solid as a rock.
How many pins are you using it the top?
Most of the time I use it by placing the pin (or pins) I've drilled into the piece I'm painting into the middle of the vice jaws and holding it that way.
But even using the pins positioned on the top of the vice you should still get a solid grip.
P.S. It's considered a sin to use a Jack Daniels shot glass for anything else than Bourbon!
How many pins are you using it the top?
Most of the time I use it by placing the pin (or pins) I've drilled into the piece I'm painting into the middle of the vice jaws and holding it that way.
But even using the pins positioned on the top of the vice you should still get a solid grip.
P.S. It's considered a sin to use a Jack Daniels shot glass for anything else than Bourbon!
Mongo Mel
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Hi Samson.
I have several of these vises and love them. The trick I came up with was to make a stand for them.
Good news is that it's really easy and very inexpensive.
I bought a wood post cap from the local lumber store and 5/16" coarse thread bolt (1" to 1 1/2" long should be good enough), 2 flat washers, a lock washer and a hex nut.
That coarse thread part is important so that the bolt will match the threads in the vise. But that's easy because it's the standard thread you'll find at the hardware store.
The wood needs to be thick enough to allow you to counter bore the bottom deep enough to bury the head of the bolt along with a flat washer so the wood will sit flat.
One of those spade type drill bits works well for this. Just make sure it's big enough for the flat washer to fit inside the hole.
The wood should also be a size that fits nicely into your hand so you can hold it easily while painting if you prefer over the supplied handle.
I do both, whichever works best for the piece. I often times just hold the vise alone when that feels best. A nice plus is the knurled knob on the vise works well as a rest for your brush hand
The cap post works well as a base as it's sized to sit atop a 4"x4" post and the edges are nicely rounded.
But really, any piece of wood that is comfortable for you will do. You just want it big enough so that the piece doesn't want to tip over when you set it down.
Insert the bolt and one flat washer from the underside into the counter bored hole.
Place the other flat washer, the lock washer and the nut on top and you're done!
I've uploaded a photo showing a 120mm figure with pins in the legs that you clamp in the vise.
But I mostly paint busts so what I do is insert the mounting post in the bust and clamp that in the vise. Unfortunately, I found that the post would tend to slip in the vise when clamped.
To solve this problem, I closed the jaws on the vise and drilled a small hole (1/16" to 1/8" diameter, no bigger) where the faces meet.
Then, when the jaws are opened, there's half a hole in both faces. This way, when I clamp the post in the hole, I have the four corners of the hole gripping the post very securely.
Uploaded a photo of this as well.
Sorry for being so long winded here
Hope this helps.
Craig
I have several of these vises and love them. The trick I came up with was to make a stand for them.
Good news is that it's really easy and very inexpensive.
I bought a wood post cap from the local lumber store and 5/16" coarse thread bolt (1" to 1 1/2" long should be good enough), 2 flat washers, a lock washer and a hex nut.
That coarse thread part is important so that the bolt will match the threads in the vise. But that's easy because it's the standard thread you'll find at the hardware store.
The wood needs to be thick enough to allow you to counter bore the bottom deep enough to bury the head of the bolt along with a flat washer so the wood will sit flat.
One of those spade type drill bits works well for this. Just make sure it's big enough for the flat washer to fit inside the hole.
The wood should also be a size that fits nicely into your hand so you can hold it easily while painting if you prefer over the supplied handle.
I do both, whichever works best for the piece. I often times just hold the vise alone when that feels best. A nice plus is the knurled knob on the vise works well as a rest for your brush hand
The cap post works well as a base as it's sized to sit atop a 4"x4" post and the edges are nicely rounded.
But really, any piece of wood that is comfortable for you will do. You just want it big enough so that the piece doesn't want to tip over when you set it down.
Insert the bolt and one flat washer from the underside into the counter bored hole.
Place the other flat washer, the lock washer and the nut on top and you're done!
I've uploaded a photo showing a 120mm figure with pins in the legs that you clamp in the vise.
But I mostly paint busts so what I do is insert the mounting post in the bust and clamp that in the vise. Unfortunately, I found that the post would tend to slip in the vise when clamped.
To solve this problem, I closed the jaws on the vise and drilled a small hole (1/16" to 1/8" diameter, no bigger) where the faces meet.
Then, when the jaws are opened, there's half a hole in both faces. This way, when I clamp the post in the hole, I have the four corners of the hole gripping the post very securely.
Uploaded a photo of this as well.
Sorry for being so long winded here
Hope this helps.
Craig
Tubby-Nuts2
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Samson,
All the holes may be baffling! ..However in simplistic terms, and looking at 'Mongo's pictures. Always 'Have one pin in the central gap! (Tightened) that's your primary hold point.
All of the surrounding holes are for slotting in of the second pin or third if required.. (see mongo's first pic for flush stability), so that the figure does not, or cannot accidently rotate or move from the initial grip point, whilst handling/painting.
Mark
All the holes may be baffling! ..However in simplistic terms, and looking at 'Mongo's pictures. Always 'Have one pin in the central gap! (Tightened) that's your primary hold point.
All of the surrounding holes are for slotting in of the second pin or third if required.. (see mongo's first pic for flush stability), so that the figure does not, or cannot accidently rotate or move from the initial grip point, whilst handling/painting.
Mark
samson
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Wow thanks so much for explaining this and taking the time to put up the pics. I get it now I was trying to hold the piece on the outside never thought of drilling holes in the underneath of the piece Lol hey mark s The bottle is under the desk so when I screw things up its handy Lol
Tubby-Nuts2
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Samson,
'Pinning the piece', is a pre-requisite of any kit, as it keeps our 'Grubby-Hands', off the figure! .. Therefore avoiding smudging and big fat ugly 'Pinky-Prints', being incorporated into the paintwork.
However, if you have not already got them, could I suggest getting several 'Pin Vise/Vice', and some 'Micro-Drill', bits. All are very cheap, in order to do the said drilling!
Mark
'Pinning the piece', is a pre-requisite of any kit, as it keeps our 'Grubby-Hands', off the figure! .. Therefore avoiding smudging and big fat ugly 'Pinky-Prints', being incorporated into the paintwork.
However, if you have not already got them, could I suggest getting several 'Pin Vise/Vice', and some 'Micro-Drill', bits. All are very cheap, in order to do the said drilling!
Mark
Blunderbus
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You sir have quite a set of eyes. I had to scour that photo for five minutes before I finally spotted that shot glass.
P.S. I am partial to Tennessee whiskey.
Tubby-Nuts2
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Shot-Glass! ?? ... shocking behaviour! ..
I keep my 'Wild Turkey 101', and 'Lagavulin (16)', right next to a hefty 'Tumbler'.
Mark
..I keep my 'Wild Turkey 101', and 'Lagavulin (16)', right next to a hefty 'Tumbler'.
Mark
Tubby-Nuts2
A Fixture
Samson,
Quite possibly you will need more than one!. Gather together at least 6+. Some as 'Holders' ( Vise), and some for future drilling!
Ps , those pins that come with the clamp, will be rarely used, if at all.
Mark
Quite possibly you will need more than one!
. Gather together at least 6+. Some as 'Holders' ( Vise), and some for future drilling! Ps , those pins that come with the clamp, will be rarely used, if at all.
Mark
theBaron
A Fixture
I think the problem you have is that you're engaging in vice, instead of using a vise. If you continue down the path to vice, you'll end in ruin, my sun.
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