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And how did The Heavenly Ms Sturgeon (that's a birdsname isn't it?) take to that?
By the way Paul I hope you don't mind me saying that you really musn't believe everything that is written in the newspapers these days
P.
peedee
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I NEVER buy a newspaper mate, I don't like Fiction.
Sturgeon is a fish actually, no matter, the First Minister is a bird though, don't mess wi' her.
I take Private Eye every two weeks, much better to look back at the hyperbole of the press once they have moved on as a pack to a new carcass and ridicule their tawdry efforts at manipulating truth to support the owners agenda.
I would recommend it to all.
Paul.
DEL
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Yes but all the unemployed oil workers have a nice golf course to play on.
Oh well that makes it aaaaaall ok then.
the man is a scoundrel and should be challenged to a
Scottish duel.....that would be a real test of bottle....
broken bottles .......at 10yards.
Paul.[/quote]
Big Screwtap (Whitbread screw top) the Glasgow street fighting mans bottle of choice. Easily breakable body breaks to a sharp edge, strong thick neck providing good grip. Yes there was method to the madness..... you really needed your wits about you on a Saturday night
Thank God things have changed.
garyhiggins
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Hi Guys, I've only just seen this thread, but since I have friends on both sides of the argument, I'll try to be polite about the EU.
Had it remained the free trade area that the liar and traitor Ted Heath told us we were joining in 1973 that would have been fine (except for the betrayal of our commonwealth,,,,,,,, appologies Mark S.) . But it didn't, it was bent on political union, becoming one great big superstate. The political elite decided that countries should be crammed into the straight jacket of a single currency, a single set of laws that override any national laws and a constitution to give the whole corrupt edifice legitimacy.
It has long been known that the further removed a governing body is from those it governs, the more corrupt and unaccountable it becomes, and this crooked lot have wrapped themselves in so much cotton wool in their marble and glass palace (that we paid for ) that not even a fly can get at them let alone a voter.
They talked about a two speed Europe, but there was never any talk of a Europe moving in different directions, the political elite (and if the words political elite are dripping with contempt, then that's putting it mildly) can see only one direction of travel, one country with themselves in charge. If you have your own Monarchy or your own President or your own constitution, forget it, provinces don't have such things, and staying in the EU means becoming a province. As the repulsive Marc Roche said you should shut up and do as your told.
The EU is a steamroller with its throttle and steering locked in one position and the only way to stop it is to blow it off its tracks. I hope our referendum has at least planted the dynamite.
Bet wishes everyone, Gary.
Had it remained the free trade area that the liar and traitor Ted Heath told us we were joining in 1973 that would have been fine (except for the betrayal of our commonwealth,,,,,,,, appologies Mark S.) . But it didn't, it was bent on political union, becoming one great big superstate. The political elite decided that countries should be crammed into the straight jacket of a single currency, a single set of laws that override any national laws and a constitution to give the whole corrupt edifice legitimacy.
It has long been known that the further removed a governing body is from those it governs, the more corrupt and unaccountable it becomes, and this crooked lot have wrapped themselves in so much cotton wool in their marble and glass palace (that we paid for ) that not even a fly can get at them let alone a voter.
They talked about a two speed Europe, but there was never any talk of a Europe moving in different directions, the political elite (and if the words political elite are dripping with contempt, then that's putting it mildly) can see only one direction of travel, one country with themselves in charge. If you have your own Monarchy or your own President or your own constitution, forget it, provinces don't have such things, and staying in the EU means becoming a province. As the repulsive Marc Roche said you should shut up and do as your told.
The EU is a steamroller with its throttle and steering locked in one position and the only way to stop it is to blow it off its tracks. I hope our referendum has at least planted the dynamite.
Bet wishes everyone, Gary.
garyhiggins
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Salmon and Sturgeon ? Sounds a bit fishy to me (not to mention the smell- POOOHH).
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Monsoon
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I read the French just surrendered.
Seriously, I did read that the Netherlands, Italy and France are calling for referendums.
So, perusing through bookface, I find the common theme, mostly from millennials, is that the old people "voted for the future the younger gen doesn't want,", and basically all of the members of the older generations are dumb/inbred/racist and are not as intelligent as the "millennial" generation. Because, you know, they have like world experience with stuff, and they've been to art museums.
It's properly the older generation's burden to shepherd the new generation along until they are capable of taking the reigns without completely f**king things up. The mistake is when we assume that the youth are somehow more correct in their idealism than we are in our realism. A *better* education does not equate to being correct. Youth suffers from confusing being capable with being competent, while forgetting that their opportunities and future have been provided to them by the blood, sweat, tears, and treasure of the ones they scorn.
Seriously, I did read that the Netherlands, Italy and France are calling for referendums.
So, perusing through bookface, I find the common theme, mostly from millennials, is that the old people "voted for the future the younger gen doesn't want,", and basically all of the members of the older generations are dumb/inbred/racist and are not as intelligent as the "millennial" generation. Because, you know, they have like world experience with stuff, and they've been to art museums.
It's properly the older generation's burden to shepherd the new generation along until they are capable of taking the reigns without completely f**king things up. The mistake is when we assume that the youth are somehow more correct in their idealism than we are in our realism. A *better* education does not equate to being correct. Youth suffers from confusing being capable with being competent, while forgetting that their opportunities and future have been provided to them by the blood, sweat, tears, and treasure of the ones they scorn.
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The LOL, was the crap I got when I supported the Scots ref of staying together but posts were deleted and I got a warning as this wasn't a political forum then, apparently..... The lol was as now it seems ok to voice opinion so I don't understand what the issue was before. Believe me I don't trivialise anything to do with the country I live in, but I was trying to not rant too much.
Ref the post here, you are missing my point. It was the slurring of anyone that wanted out that most likely made the result it was. And if you look at my post, I only commented on fact, ie, the majority voted out. Why the need to belittle my comment and accusing me of ignorance proves the point yet again. To some democracy is ok, aslong as it goes their way !. I'm actually surprised on your comment as you know me, but if the fact you lost pisses you off, well that's the way the cookie crumbles. As for trivial, the result was no more or less important to you than it was to me mate, and with respect, I will most likely be living with the consequences for a long time, but I believe in the democratic right that we all had a say or a chance to vote.
As for youngster feeling robbed, I was 3 the last time and have worked since 15 to the age of 44. The youngsters need to realise it's not solely about them, many of us have worked to support the country and this is our first voice, we also haven't had the luxury to travel Europe on gap years as we were busy working, which seems the main reason the young are pissed off. On the bonus, if house prices drop they stand more chance of getting on the ladder and personally I think many have just escaped the conscription which I am sure will come in for the EU army in the next 10 years as joining the services is unpopular and recruiting has become a issue
DEL
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Fair point, that explains the LoL. Hadn't realized. [remembered] that you'd had posts deleted during the Scottish independence debate. I for one dont think any posts should be deleted unless they are personally offensive.
A lot of generalisations at the end of your post some of which I'd be happy to see coming to pass. Particularly lower house prices so that young people in decently paid employment can afford them.
Are there jobs out there? Perhaps there will be opportunities within th NHS from the additional 340 million a month it's getting. Now that would be a good thing.
As for young people feeling betrayed, let down and concerned about travel opportunities........Why shouldn't they? If that's what they believe then at least they should have the opportunity to express their views.
Mmmm. I'm an old person (71) and from my experience I think older people have done a pretty good job of f****ing the world up - committing our young to unnecessary wars, climate change, destabilising the middle east, the world financial crisis, etc. Its pretty arrogant to think that we know what's best for the better educated younger people. We old people tend to yearn for a past that is long gone and will never return, and are just as unrealistic in some of our views as the young are. I seem to recall we were young once and many had idealistic views of the world in those times. We need to argue on facts not emotion, rhetoric, and what has appeared on this thread to be some pretty incorrect perceptions - e.g. Britain paying the most to bail other countries out (wrong).
Any way the Brits have decided - so no point in arguing the pros and cons - just get on with it and make it work with the hope there are no unintended consequences. But the idea of the elderly knowing better - that's codswallop.
Chris
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Martin64
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Chris, would "like" your post more than once if possible!
Cheers, Martin
Cheers, Martin
Jimbo
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[quote="DEL, NHS from the additional 340 million a month it's getting. [/quote]
£350 million a week Del, it must be true as I read it on Farage's bus.
£350 million a week Del, it must be true as I read it on Farage's bus.
