Sculptor:Painter Partnership?

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Dan Morton

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This may be a totally NUTZ idea, but what the hey. Here's the deal. I'm enjoying learning to sculpt a lot! I'm no longer enjoying learning to paint figures as much as I once did. I have absolutely no interest in paying anybody a nickel to paint one of my figures.

Instead, I propose a partnership.

What does the painter get? An original or new conversion type figure to paint. I plan to continue to use various parts from kits, but most of the figure will be sculpted original. The painter may have to do a little assembly or re-assembly and/or repair damage done during shipping.

What do I get out of it? The opportunity to concentrate on learning the craft, test new ideas, and continue to sculpt neat stuff.

If you want to see the kind of figures I've been working on, check out my vBench.

So far and into the forseeable future I plan to work in 120mm, but may change to 90 or 75/80mm. I'm not a fan of 54mm or smaller. I'm interested in the historical period 1870 - 1918, but there are some exceptions. Not interested in Napoleonics, Medieval, or Ancients.

Forthcoming possible projects - (a) 2 more single Russo-Japanese war figures - maybe in action poses with more scenery than I've used in the past; (b) a 5 figure diorama - Austro-Hungarian and Italian soldiers in the mountains in WWI; and © a multi-figure diorama [haven't decided how big yet] - British and German skeletal corpses hanging on opposite sides of barbed wire in No Man's Land. The inspiration for this one comes from (1) numerous period pics of soldiers bodies "hanging on the wire", (2) Sting's song "The Children's Crusade", and (3) a comment made by one of the "Old Contemptibles" in a Lyn McDonald book. "I can tell you where the bloody Regular Army's gone. They're out there hangin' on the bloody wire."

None of these pieces are started yet; none are definite. If we find we work well together, I'd consider sculpting a project the painter suggested.

I insist on seeing the first 2 or 3 painted figures "in the flesh", but I'd be willing to negotiate ultimate ownership of each one on a 50/50 basis or on the basis of a modest payment made by either party to the other. I'm also trying to learn about mold making and casting. In future, I may retain a "master" and send the painter an assembled copy to paint.

There are a lot of ways this scheme could come unravelled and I'm sure I haven't thought of half of them. Probably the most important part would be mutual trust and respect. I'm very aware of the fact that there are sharks and duds online, but, so far, I've met some very nice folks online on this forum.

If this sounds like a good idea to you, drop me an e-mail. If you don't have a vBench, please attach some pics of your painting. Serious replies only and no painter replies online, please. I don't have any problem opening this up to a general discussion online, but if you want to partner, I'd rather discuss that privately via e-mail or phone.

All the best,
Dan
 
Dan, You're idea is not NUTZ! I have done this very thing with four painters. I do like painting although I'm more often than not unsatisfied with the results. The main reason for partnering up with a painter is in order to collect pieces painted by other sculptors/painters without having to pay out hundreds or thousand of dollars not in the coffer. My arrangement up to this time is to have a painter paint one of my originals for me and I in turn sculpt something for them. So far there have been no problems (that I'm aware of). I have other projects I'd like to do and sometimes come up with ideas with a specific painter in mind. I'm sure you'll find someone wanting take you up on your offer.~Gary
 
Thanks for your reply and endorsement, Gary! I'm very happy to say I received replies from two extremely talented painters almost immediately and we're in the process of setting up shop, so to speak. Looking at their excellent past accomplishments, I'm very flattered that either one would want to work with a sculpting novice like myself! :) :) :)

I won't name names because we just haven't discussed that. Maybe it would be better to wait until we have a figure or two to show. I look forward to working with both of them! If there are other painters interested, please feel free to contact me. I have a lot of ideas for figures and, hopefully, with these partners, a little more time to actually sculpt some of them!

All the best,
Dan
 
Hey folks, I need another partner - painter. Glenn Hamilton and Kreston Peckham are great partners AND great painters, but I'd like one more if possible. The figure I'd specifically like to have painted is the Japanese Lieutenant on my vBench. I painted him but I'm very dissatisfied with the result and would like to see someone do him justice. If you don't care for that subject, I'd consider stripping my Khuda Khan figure. Or you could wait for something off the bench. Right now "On the Wire" has my full attention until completed, but I've got several projects in mind. If you are concerned about keeping a figure after painting it, I don't believe you need to be. The arrangement I have with Glenn and Kreston is, briefly, they paint two figures, they keep one. That seems equitable to me and that's what I'd offer.

Here are a couple of project proposals that may interest you.

(1) 1914 Antwerp Royal Naval Division Hood Battalion - 2 figure diorama on a Belgian blue cobblestone road. Both soldier-sailors are equipped differently (historically correct). 1 is lighting the cigarette or pipe of the other
(2) Japanese private from Russo-Japanese war in khaki summer uniform
(3) Russian soldier with accordion (see Osprey MAA305)

If you are interested, please send me an e-mail.

All the best,
Dan
 
Dan,

Your idea is really a good one and I have been involved in this type of transaction before. I have done a few and have only once not had the figures that I sculpted not painted, I am not sure of the reason but I wish you all the best and look forward to seeing what comes from it.

Joe
 
Dan

Thats probably the best reason there is, I know of a couple of people who are brilliant painters, but have got into sculpting on the pretext of making their own figures, but now they enjoy the sculpting so much, that the painting has taken a back seat, Its the enjoyment, that’s the key... :)

Dave
 
Dan, I could not agree with you more, it is a blast. I do enjoy painting also, but find I'm considerdably more critical of my painting than sculpting. Besides, fixing sculpting mistakes (especially in Sculpey) come easier to me.~Gary
 
Couldn't agree more!

Incidentally, your Sculpting 101 is GREAT! When you finish the whole thing, would you consider re-publishing just your photos and text, omitting all or most of the other comments? Or possibly just re-doing all the text into one narrative? If you want to send it to me electronically, I could put it together as a two column spread in a single Word document with header/footer, page numbers, photo numbers and titles, etc. That way, you'd be giving all of us a well-organized, lucid reference document with good photos. Then it could get re-posted to PF as a downloadable attachment, very printable, etc.

All the best,
Dan
 
Dan, thanks, i really appreciate the kind words. It's gonna be a monster in terms of size, especially with the photos which are hit and mist in terms of quality. Guy and I corresponded about me doing a similiar thing once I am finished. I do like the idea of putting it all into one document.~Gary
 
I started putting the article together when Gary first started and add to it as he does another step. But appreciate your offer Dan.
 
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