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Gordy, nice web site. I have been following your step by step articles in M.U.G. and hope that you continue your excellent tutorials here.
I have started scratch building my own stuff this past year so the articles are of great interest to me as to others I am sure.
Here is some of my work:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/btavis/ls...oo.com/&.view=t
In "My Photos" are parts to a diorama project that is in progress and in the "Scratchbuilt" folder are two mounted pieces I made. Personally, I think I suck but I am starting to get the hang of sculpting... (meaning I have the cursing-out-loud-at-the-top-of-my-lungs part down pat so far).
One question I have that has stumped me is the making of convincing shoe laces in 1/35 or 1/32 scale. As a matter of fact sculpting any kind of lacework or fine embroidery on uniforms is quite perplexing to me. Either I am a klutz or am missing some technique that would make the task feasible. Any suggestions would be greatly welcomed.
Thanks,
Bob
I have started scratch building my own stuff this past year so the articles are of great interest to me as to others I am sure.
Here is some of my work:
http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/btavis/ls...oo.com/&.view=t
In "My Photos" are parts to a diorama project that is in progress and in the "Scratchbuilt" folder are two mounted pieces I made. Personally, I think I suck but I am starting to get the hang of sculpting... (meaning I have the cursing-out-loud-at-the-top-of-my-lungs part down pat so far).
One question I have that has stumped me is the making of convincing shoe laces in 1/35 or 1/32 scale. As a matter of fact sculpting any kind of lacework or fine embroidery on uniforms is quite perplexing to me. Either I am a klutz or am missing some technique that would make the task feasible. Any suggestions would be greatly welcomed.
Thanks,
Bob
gordy
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thanks, i plan to bring over all the sculpting postings (eventually) and set up a more "article" style progress info...
that's the intention
wow!, don't be so hard on yourself, that looks great!
here's a quick write-up, i plan on doing a pictorial ...
http://www.planetfigure.com/forums/index.p...&st=0&#entry143
btavis
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Gordy, appreciate the tip on laces and will give it a try tonight.
btavis
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I will be posting some new, in-progress pictures of the "Taxis de la Marne" diorama I am working on this weekend. I have scratchbuilt a couple of new figures for it and am doing some rework on the taxi itself.
In any event, this diorama will take place on a Parisian street and I wanted to hear some thoughts on scratchbuilding a brick/cobblestone street like this:
I am pretty familiar with all of the tried and true techniques:
1. Commercially resin cast pre-made streets
2. Using lentils
3. Scribing in plaster
4. Making out of individual bricks/stones
...but wouldn't mind some additional thoughts form other modelers on any of the above and/or something different perhaps. The street I am planning will be in the Montmarte district of Paris and the street itself will not be completely flat (slight raise to center sloping to gutters). I DO NOT want to use a resin kit. I want to scratch build as much of this dio as possible including the little shop buildings along the street.
I don't mind doing it in individual bricks or even scribing/etching into plaster as long as it doesn't look like this:
In any event, this diorama will take place on a Parisian street and I wanted to hear some thoughts on scratchbuilding a brick/cobblestone street like this:
I am pretty familiar with all of the tried and true techniques:
1. Commercially resin cast pre-made streets
2. Using lentils
3. Scribing in plaster
4. Making out of individual bricks/stones
...but wouldn't mind some additional thoughts form other modelers on any of the above and/or something different perhaps. The street I am planning will be in the Montmarte district of Paris and the street itself will not be completely flat (slight raise to center sloping to gutters). I DO NOT want to use a resin kit. I want to scratch build as much of this dio as possible including the little shop buildings along the street.
I don't mind doing it in individual bricks or even scribing/etching into plaster as long as it doesn't look like this:
gordy
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i understand what your getting at..
just my thoughts:
a totally randomized pattern (oxymoron ) it is achievable though, CG artists use a similar technique to make "seamless" textures, essentially make you "pattern's" edges connectable so they key into place along the edges...
the main factor is to make a stamp large enough to resolve the illusion of repitition..
some carefull planning/engineering ahead of time will make a quick go of it when it comes time to stamp it out... and you'll have a reusable means of doing it again and again
one special note would be to make the cobbles' elevation to each other as random as well for example the profile would be like the top and not the bottom..
just my thoughts:
a totally randomized pattern (oxymoron
) it is achievable though, CG artists use a similar technique to make "seamless" textures, essentially make you "pattern's" edges connectable so they key into place along the edges...the main factor is to make a stamp large enough to resolve the illusion of repitition..
some carefull planning/engineering ahead of time will make a quick go of it when it comes time to stamp it out... and you'll have a reusable means of doing it again and again
one special note would be to make the cobbles' elevation to each other as random as well for example the profile would be like the top and not the bottom..
btavis
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Hmmm, I think you have something there Gordy.
A stamp could be just the ticket. What I could do is build a template from some individual bricks in an area of say 8X8 cenitmeters and then make a reverse impression and use that as the stamp. The stamp can be shallow just to indicate the brick above ground and it could work well on a curved surface. Even though it would create "wallpaper" like repetition I could tweak afterwards to make it more randomized. I could stamp out of rolled epoxie which is better than plaster for keeping the overall weight of the dio down (always a plus).
Gonna give it a try this weekend and will take pictures if it works out. Good idea!
A stamp could be just the ticket. What I could do is build a template from some individual bricks in an area of say 8X8 cenitmeters and then make a reverse impression and use that as the stamp. The stamp can be shallow just to indicate the brick above ground and it could work well on a curved surface. Even though it would create "wallpaper" like repetition I could tweak afterwards to make it more randomized. I could stamp out of rolled epoxie which is better than plaster for keeping the overall weight of the dio down (always a plus).
Gonna give it a try this weekend and will take pictures if it works out. Good idea!
John Long
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Bob,
Model Buildings Masterclass goes through making brick walls by creating a dam from Legos, and rolling out modelling clay. Creating a pattern is done by using a plastic "brick" as a stamp. When your clay is impressed with the pattern, pour a thin layer of plaster into the dam over the clay. I have tried this, it is tedious, but it will work. It took a couple of tries to get something decent. My attempt didn't work out for the application, so it was scrapped.
Balsa-Foam is another option.
Model Buildings Masterclass goes through making brick walls by creating a dam from Legos, and rolling out modelling clay. Creating a pattern is done by using a plastic "brick" as a stamp. When your clay is impressed with the pattern, pour a thin layer of plaster into the dam over the clay. I have tried this, it is tedious, but it will work. It took a couple of tries to get something decent. My attempt didn't work out for the application, so it was scrapped.
Balsa-Foam is another option.
btavis
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I just recently picked up some balsa foam to play with. You've used it right? Didn't you do that Andrea Apache on a balsa foam rock outcropping? Which hardness would be best since it comes in a variety?
John Long
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Yeah Bob. I've used it quite a bit. I would have done the Apache differently though. Balsa foam is terrible for pinning figures to. It wants to crumble even if sealed. It is great for making structures though. My mistake with the Apache was in not having a footpin long enough to insert into the wooden base.
As far as hardness, I'd use the medium densityor the next grade up. I like the stuff, and used to look for reasons to use it. I'm a little more careful when picking applications for it lately because of the reasons above.
As far as hardness, I'd use the medium densityor the next grade up. I like the stuff, and used to look for reasons to use it. I'm a little more careful when picking applications for it lately because of the reasons above.
LCoote
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Hi Bob, what about using individual precast pavers like the ones from plus-model, use a layer of putty or plaster and set the pavers into it , it would be very easy to obtain that random and uneven look.
Though probably no good if you wanted to do it this weekend and could be a little expensive for a large area
Leigh
Though probably no good if you wanted to do it this weekend and could be a little expensive for a large area
Leigh
btavis
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Leigh, where do you get those stones?
LCoote
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Bob,
here is the address for plus-model http://www.plusmodel.cz/index.php
it doesn't look like they have any shopping facilities online. If you look under the our parteners it shows the retailers of their products.
I found them here http://jadarhobby.waw.pl/e_portal/c_defaul...994c879dc7d358c
I've ordered from jadar ,they're pretty good.
here is the address for plus-model http://www.plusmodel.cz/index.php
it doesn't look like they have any shopping facilities online. If you look under the our parteners it shows the retailers of their products.
I found them here http://jadarhobby.waw.pl/e_portal/c_defaul...994c879dc7d358c
I've ordered from jadar ,they're pretty good.
btavis
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Leigh, thanks. They look about as real as you can get. Do you have any idea about how many come in a bag?
LCoote
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They come in 2 sizes, it says a bag covers 17cm by 10cm , I don't know how many individual blocks that would be but it might be a bit tedious depending how big your base is.
You're right they do look pretty real.
You're right they do look pretty real.
btavis
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I tried an experiment using epoxie and scribing bricks.
btavis
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It would help if I added the picture.
btavis
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Additonally, here is the status of scratchbuilding the figures for my "Taxi" dio.
The soldier with his hand out is reaching for a loaf of bread being offered by a matronly woman whom I am about 1/3 done with sculpting. The paint on the exterior soldiers is just for my sense of the overall color scheme. I have about eight more civilian figures to do, then the cobbled street, then the buiuldings and THEN I get to paint it all for real!
The soldier with his hand out is reaching for a loaf of bread being offered by a matronly woman whom I am about 1/3 done with sculpting. The paint on the exterior soldiers is just for my sense of the overall color scheme. I have about eight more civilian figures to do, then the cobbled street, then the buiuldings and THEN I get to paint it all for real!
btavis
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Here is the other side.
