the way i see our hobby,

[Kevin D.]

With all the discussion that I have read recently about costs and the work it takes to bring a figure to market and how unfair it is to recast, etc...all of which I agree with and found compelling to avoid buying fakes..... I really like the concise statement that sums it all up.

You are stealing. You are buying theft. End of story.

Merry Christmas, y'all! !

 

[Jeff T]

Obviously meant to stir things up....

Nevertheless, one argument that always amuses me is this: figures are sooo expensive.....but I really NEED this figure for my project.....therefore it's OK if I act illegally to get it.

I saw this cool Porsche yesterday, but I cannot afford it......why would only rich people be able to drive Porsche? I'm sure it's ok if I take it from someone? I really need a car.

That's the logic of a ten-year old, but it's frequently used in the context of recasts here.

There's figures in all price ranges: plastic, resin, metal. If you find the best ones too expensive, then ask them from santa, buy less of them (You have a grey army?) or select the ones you CAN afford. Buying ripoffs is stealing, and as buyer you are part of it.

By the way, I don't think many figure producers are Porsche drivers....

Would probably have been wiser to ignore this thread, but I was bored....

Cheers,
Adrian

Absolutetly spot on Adrian!!

Couldn't have said it any better.


Cheer's,
Jeff.

 

[Mark S]

Well, I've read this entire post and I reckon some of you fellas have got things all mixed up here.

You see this is a Hobby~






And this is someone recasting~






Now I think you'll find when you've had a good look at these links that things are a lot simplier than you first thought.

 

[kevininpdx]

CONFESSIONS OF A MODELLER......

I have bought two recasts on ebay......

This is what I learned...

1. recasters are only looking for a buck. The models you buy from them are CRAP. You will never match the quality of a legit model like a Pegaso, ect.

2. Let's get real.....this hobby is dying. These firms will die without our support.

3. We are lucky to be living in a time where so much sweet stuff is being put out!

4. I bought two recasts. I ended up with a guilty conscience and two pieces of $hi+.

5. You get what you pay for.

DONT DO IT

 

[Blind Pew]

Initially I thought the original post was a wind up.

I was convinced it couldn't have been typed by somebody whilst sober.

It has certainly put the cat amongst the proverbials and has unnecessarily re-awakend a debate that got nasty a few weeks ago.

Yes, people are entitled to their opinions. Some opinions are best left unsaid though. Especially ones that are simply so wrong-headed.

 

[Perseas]

"Let Him Who is Without Sin Cast the First Stone" said Jesus and not re-cast, but that was the time of
forgivness such as the spirit of Christmas. Tony who started this thread said about bargain and cheap prices
and that companies make the hobby expensive... Life itself is unfair and unballanced especially when it comes
with desires, but recently good bargains came (without illegal actions) such as MMM (Gordon Mitchel) on ebay
as "aspatriabruce" who gave us the oportunity with auction to buy the medal of honor series from starting price 9.99 BP , i thank him very much for this even i wasnt lucky , and so many companies who make discounts.
Now, every company has the copyright of its property and everyone who wants to reproduce products needs the authorization and this is how it goes, its the market law and everything else is just opinions.
Bargains are everywhere in this life, the difference lies in everyone's eye.
Some say that our hobby is going to die because of recasters, everything dies in this world, we are mortal but
sometimes the latin phrase seems so powerful "ars longa vita brevis"means life is short art is long, art remains
years ago after the artist's death so nothing dies except if it is its time to die, but i expect many more from this
hobby and i thing it will last for long as long as sculptors have fantasy and companies give life to their
dreams. Answers were given about this to Ron Tamburinni's thread "Busted to death" with many opinions full of "inspiration". Our hobby is art, paints brushes giving life to pieces and this is something that makes you feel
calm and proud, it is time to concentrate to our colors and models, things that unite us and let the spirit of the days give us health inspiration and more talent (especially for me).
Members of the planetfigure Jury, i rest my case.
Merry Christmas and Happy new Year to all with health and prosperity.

 

[Alex]

Tony

I firmly disagree with you.

1) you are implying that you re buying the recast because it is cheaper. but do you really think that the recast is of the same quality ? It is not most of the time. Why waste countless hours of painting on something which is not perfect ? There is no point for me.

2) even if the quality of the recast was exactly the same as the original, by buying a recast you re stealing someone else intellectual property. And by selling a recast, you re reselling counterfeit which is illegal in most occidental countries. Sorry i don't see you point

3) I have never ever ever ever bought a recast and will never never never do it

4) I am now also a retailer of many top firms producing figures and I can tell you that our profits are not out of this world. After paying shipping, etc. there is not a lot remaining in my pockets but I don't care. I do it for the love of this art and it is not my first income, far from it

5) I am a Porsche owner and whenever you ll drive a Porsche, you ll understand why they do cost more than a Kia and why they re totally worth it.

6) One last point : SERVICE. This is all comes to that these days. I can afford whatever I want ... But will only buy something when I receive a good service. In other words, if the seller is treating me like s$&$& good buy my friend, I won't buy from you even if your price is lower than the other guy. Pegaso and many other producers offer you excellent service. Whenever you have a problem with your original kit, they will send you replacement parts.. Most of the time free of charge (thanks Pegaso for that).

7) even though I am a Pegaso retailer, my wife offered me for my birthday a superb Pegaso kit she bought off eBay and I told her how to be sure to buy something legit : from someone in USA, Canada or western europe, in metal, with original box and papers and from a seller i know

8) If I was a figure producer, I would want to prosecute you in your country and would do it anytime.

9) This hobby will not die since it is an art form, and I know many who would always pay top dollar for a nicely painted figure, me included.

Cheers

Alex

 

[Tubby-Nuts2]

Tony!

You clearly have your convictions and a stance on this emotive subject. This is fair enough.

However, to my mind you have lost all respect for whatever you say, or complete in the future.

I do find it 'Mind-Boggling' that you have tried to justify your rhetoric in which you promote and condone piracy/theft! ..

Ps, Equally as skint as 'Ralph'.

Dis-respect,

Mark.

 

[housecarl]

May as well leave it at that, as Tony has left the building.

 

[Rich Sculpts]

All I can say is go sculpt the stuff yourself then cast it and see how cheap the process is.

-Rich

 

[yellowcat]

What's wrong with recasts.
Here is an article from Kitbuilders magazine back in 1994 on the subject of recasting garage kits.
This is parallel to historical figures recasting.

http://www.gremlins.com/kitbuilders/recasts.html

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

Well, I've read this entire post and I reckon some of you fellas have got things all mixed up here.

You see this is a Hobby~






And this is someone recasting~






Now I think you'll find when you've had a good look at these links that things are a lot simplier than you first thought.

Thats some cracking casting there Mark

 

[Ron Tamburrini]

May as well leave it at that, as Tony has left the building.

For good I hope

 

[housecarl]

For good I hope

Yep.

 

[Mark S]

Thats some cracking casting there Mark

I thought so too Ron, as a fly fishing video it's not bad........not sure about the wiggle cast though.

 

[Mirofsoft]

Hey.. I'm a young one ... only 67 years old ...

 

[theBaron]

What's wrong with recasts.

Good point, we can make our objections more specific by prefixing "unlicensed" or "unauthorized" to "recasts". If an artist produces a figure, casts and sells it, and discontinues it, then later contracts with someone else to cast the figure, that's a recast, in a sense, but it's one which the creator has authorized.

Thanks for linking that article, it's an interesting read!

 

[yellowcat]

Good point, we can make our objections more specific by prefixing "unlicensed" or "unauthorized" to "recasts". If an artist produces a figure, casts and sells it, and discontinues it, then later contracts with someone else to cast the figure, that's a recast, in a sense, but it's one which the creator has authorized.

Thanks for linking that article, it's an interesting read!

That should be a re-release or reissue rather than a recast which is authorized by the creator, artist producer.