MMM
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Hi folks
Here's a preview of our latest from Carl Reid, 120mm
Samurai.
Enjoy
Ross
Here's a preview of our latest from Carl Reid, 120mm
Samurai.
Enjoy
Ross
120mm Samurai - Mitches Military Models
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Oda
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As far as the sculpting is concerned this is awesome.A few doubts though when it comes to the details.He is carrying his sword katana style but the actual pieces of his armour are from the 12th century.Not a grave mistake but back then it wasn't so usual to carry a sword like this.Most likely it would have been suspended from the belt tachi style.Again,not a grave mistake but it takes away much of the original enthusiasm(for me at least).Shame though for it's one hell of a sculpt like all Carl's creations.
Oda.
Oda.
Great sculpt from carl as always , something different from MMM it should prove to be very popular well done to the team.
Ian
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peedee
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Hi Ross this is raight smart !
It's great to see you trying something else different and great work from Carl.
The potential here for colour choices are mindblowing.
I sincerely hope the first few painted ones aren't from the 'subdued school' of drab painting.
Paul
It's great to see you trying something else different and great work from Carl.
The potential here for colour choices are mindblowing.
I sincerely hope the first few painted ones aren't from the 'subdued school' of drab painting.
Paul
Uruk-Hai
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I really like the stance. It tells us so much about the person.
Cheers
Janne Nilsson
Cheers
Janne Nilsson
carl reid
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The Katana was made in many sizes!
Heres a link to one with an overall length of 49 inches long.
http://www.nihonzashi.com/shinken_warrior_o_katana.aspx
Carl
Heres a link to one with an overall length of 49 inches long.
http://www.nihonzashi.com/shinken_warrior_o_katana.aspx
Carl
Grod
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Great sculpt. The pose shows the arrogance of an aristocratic warrior.
Great job Carl.
Gordon
Great job Carl.
Gordon
kenshin393
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Of course, the only real way to tell a tachi from a katana is to take it apart and see which side of the tang has the makers stamp. Carl, would you do that for us to settle the issue?
I care not of these details! Lovely piece Carl, on my list.
megroot
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Great piece of sculpting Carl.
You know it is not my period of interest, but I can see that a great artist made this.
Marc
You know it is not my period of interest, but I can see that a great artist made this.
Marc
Gaudin
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Cold steel shop website?
That aside, its really good to see that you are back on PF, Carl. Welcome back.
T
TADATSUGU
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Here we go again.
Yes Katana did vary in length, but just because modern martial arts practitioners use an item does not mean it is accurate contemporaneously with period use.
Katana size generally still fell between 2ft and 3ft; a practical length. The sword depicted just looks too long to me, more like the length used in the Nambokucho period (1333-91) when longer swords became fashionable (It looks more like a Katana/Tanto combination than Katana Wakizashi) In this period however, the sword would be a Tachi not a Katana. The sword in the model also has the Ishizuki sword furniture at the tip which was more common on Tachi and rare on Katana; this may have caused some confusion.
Kenshin does make a valid point about the tang, but generally the Tachi scabbard had fittings attached to it (similar to the Napoleonic Sabre scabbard) so that it could be hung (blade down) on horseback.
The use of Daisho (twinned swords - literally big/little) did not arise until the Muromachi period in the early 15th century. The use of Uchigatana (swords carried blade-up) which include the Katana and Wakizashi (companion sword) were also adopted in this era.
I would be interesed to see the reference used for this configuration of gear.
Why is he wearing the Wakidate on it's own? It would be useless in a battle and would probably draw scorn from other Samurai if worn in the street or for a duel (the use of a separate back-plate on later styles of armour was nicknamed "the coward plate" as only a coward would turn his back to the enemy). Touchy lot these samurai
The suspending cordage also seems to go under the Wakidate, rather than to the attachment points which would be on the outside.
Why does he appear to have half a Kyubi-No-ita sewn to his left sleeve? The left sleeve would be reinforced, but if armour was attached, it would fitted seperately at the top of the arm to protect the shoulder and body-armour cording and it would be laced on.
The Suneate (shin guards) at the time of the armour shown (Heian period 8th-12th cent) would be of three plate, wrap-around construction and Ox-hide "shoes" would be worn rather than straw/grass sandals.
As Oda said, what we have seem to have here is a 16th century Samurai wearing anachronistic Heian armour. No I can't say it never happened, but it's highly unlikely. We are talking about a 400 year old difference in a country where humidity would probably have taken a great toll on the preservation of such items. Would Sir Francis Drake have put on Crusader armour as first choice to go to fight club? The lack of shaved forehead also suggests that the model is even later than the 16th century - more likely the Edo period (17th cent) which makes things even worse.
But of course, I forgot. So many of you out there don't care, do You?
Yes Katana did vary in length, but just because modern martial arts practitioners use an item does not mean it is accurate contemporaneously with period use.
Katana size generally still fell between 2ft and 3ft; a practical length. The sword depicted just looks too long to me, more like the length used in the Nambokucho period (1333-91) when longer swords became fashionable (It looks more like a Katana/Tanto combination than Katana Wakizashi) In this period however, the sword would be a Tachi not a Katana. The sword in the model also has the Ishizuki sword furniture at the tip which was more common on Tachi and rare on Katana; this may have caused some confusion.
Kenshin does make a valid point about the tang, but generally the Tachi scabbard had fittings attached to it (similar to the Napoleonic Sabre scabbard) so that it could be hung (blade down) on horseback.
The use of Daisho (twinned swords - literally big/little) did not arise until the Muromachi period in the early 15th century. The use of Uchigatana (swords carried blade-up) which include the Katana and Wakizashi (companion sword) were also adopted in this era.
I would be interesed to see the reference used for this configuration of gear.
Why is he wearing the Wakidate on it's own? It would be useless in a battle and would probably draw scorn from other Samurai if worn in the street or for a duel (the use of a separate back-plate on later styles of armour was nicknamed "the coward plate" as only a coward would turn his back to the enemy). Touchy lot these samurai
The suspending cordage also seems to go under the Wakidate, rather than to the attachment points which would be on the outside.
Why does he appear to have half a Kyubi-No-ita sewn to his left sleeve? The left sleeve would be reinforced, but if armour was attached, it would fitted seperately at the top of the arm to protect the shoulder and body-armour cording and it would be laced on.
The Suneate (shin guards) at the time of the armour shown (Heian period 8th-12th cent) would be of three plate, wrap-around construction and Ox-hide "shoes" would be worn rather than straw/grass sandals.
As Oda said, what we have seem to have here is a 16th century Samurai wearing anachronistic Heian armour. No I can't say it never happened, but it's highly unlikely. We are talking about a 400 year old difference in a country where humidity would probably have taken a great toll on the preservation of such items. Would Sir Francis Drake have put on Crusader armour as first choice to go to fight club? The lack of shaved forehead also suggests that the model is even later than the 16th century - more likely the Edo period (17th cent) which makes things even worse.
But of course, I forgot. So many of you out there don't care, do You?
T
TADATSUGU
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Sorry to disagree old mate, but I cant think of anything worse.
Brighter patterned clothing was worn in earlier periods and possibly at cour,t but plain colours; browns, blacks, dark blues or muted greens are the way to go.
Contrary to common belief samurai weren't clowns. If patterned fabrics were used in the 16th to 19th century, they were more likely to be small repeated patterns which complimented the base fabric. Think Yojimbo or Seven samurai rather than Ziggy Stardust (God rest his bones).
peedee
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Well shoot me down for saying it in a different way then David but it is not a prescribed unifotm like 5em chevaux leger lancier de ligne 1814 is it?
So..therefore my point stands any colours and patterns we want !
I have no idea why you wanna teach me to suck eggs mate,
I am not interested in nit picking I want to praise the sculpt
Best wishes
Paul.
So..therefore my point stands any colours and patterns we want !
I have no idea why you wanna teach me to suck eggs mate,
I am not interested in nit picking I want to praise the sculpt
Best wishes
Paul.
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TADATSUGU
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No offence meant Paul. Do what you want.
No its not a uniform, but fashions and trends were prevalent in samurai social life.
If someone said he fancied painting a Chevaux Leger Lancer in a zig zag tunic with butterflies on it, that he had made up by a local tailor, I don't doubt that you'd be horrified.
Native Indian clothing was not prescribed, but different tribes used different patterns and colours, (I know you know this, I'm just trying to find an analogy to explain what I mean).
I'm not interested in praising a sculpt. I don't consider pointing out major faults as nit picking.
I'm not trying to teach people to suck eggs. I'm trying to inform, and support other posters whose valid points are being shouted down for no good reason. That is why I have listed the problems I have with this piece. I know from previous experience that if I hadn't, I'd have only gotten harangued for criticizing something without saying why. Can't win.
No its not a uniform, but fashions and trends were prevalent in samurai social life.
If someone said he fancied painting a Chevaux Leger Lancer in a zig zag tunic with butterflies on it, that he had made up by a local tailor, I don't doubt that you'd be horrified.
Native Indian clothing was not prescribed, but different tribes used different patterns and colours, (I know you know this, I'm just trying to find an analogy to explain what I mean).
I'm not interested in praising a sculpt. I don't consider pointing out major faults as nit picking.
I'm not trying to teach people to suck eggs. I'm trying to inform, and support other posters whose valid points are being shouted down for no good reason. That is why I have listed the problems I have with this piece. I know from previous experience that if I hadn't, I'd have only gotten harangued for criticizing something without saying why. Can't win.
debrito
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Now we have an Iroquois dressed as Samurai....
carl reid
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F*****g hell Its like watching Dave ja vu....
BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
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