Are we artists or are we modelers ?

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Roc

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Do we consider our selves artists or modelers with an intense passion for history?

I think it would be very intersting to share our opinions about this.
If we dare consider our selves artists, what do we base it on?

Cheers
Roc. :)
 
I,for one,consider myself a modeller with a passion for history. Art,though,still has a small role to play with regards to the way I model my subjects. Just my 2 cents worth. Cheers !
Kenneth.
 
I think some modeler's elevate the hobby/craft to an artistic level. Most of us are more like craftsmen or artisans. Having said that, I think that figure modelling is the most artistic of the modelling hobbies. I personally try to be artistic in my approach to figure modelling.
 
This is how I would define it. And this is quite basic.
If you build a tank or plane, what ever, it doesn't matter, and you follow all the basic rules of modeling, fill the seams, check allignments, no glue showing, prime it and paint it basically, as if right out of the paint factory and say its finished, your a modeler.

When you cross the line into artistry, and again, this is just my opinion, is when you take the time to study weathering effects, effects of light and shadowing, acurate skin tones for the region, and for some of us, the ability to convey proper textures, and you apply them consistanlty throughout your model, I believe that's when you've crossed the line from being a basic modeler into an artist.

I've seen sand bags on Armorama sprayed with one color and I'd say to myself, oh, its a sand bag. But then I see another person's sand bag and I just wanna copy that photograph for my personal library because this persons sand bag was beautiful. It had highlights, shadows, textures that resembled burlap. It even had an area that you could tell the sand and burlap was still wet from previously being wet. The sand bag showed imagination, it told a story and yet, it was just a sand bag.

I hope this helps.
 
Roc,

Maybe a poll with about five different choices running a continuum from modeller to artist would be useful?
 
I really don't know off we making art or not. But i really like it.
But when i here other people speak of my novice work and they call it pieces of art instead of modelling then for me it is art.
I one's hear somebody say: It becomes art when people have discussions about that piece of work.
Maybe it is true, for me it is . Is the painting Boogie Woogie of Piet Mondriaan art of just coloured spots on a white paper. For me it is not art, i don't like it, and with some time i think the most of us can paint such a thing.
For that time it was modern, there was alot of discussion over it (they gave it the name impressionisme) and from that moment it was art.
Somebody (i dont remember who) paint a blue line from left to right on a white canvas. Is that art???? It hangs in the Rijksmuseum from Amsterdam. :angry: :angry:

So i think i made my point clear. for me it is art.

Marc
 
From Dictionary.com

art·ist Audio pronunciation of "Artist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärtst)
n.

1. One, such as a painter, sculptor, or writer, who is able by virtue of imagination and talent or skill to create works of aesthetic value, especially in the fine arts.
2. A person whose work shows exceptional creative ability or skill: You are an artist in the kitchen.
3. One, such as an actor or singer, who works in the performing arts.
4. One who is adept at an activity, especially one involving trickery or deceit: a con artist.


ar·ti·san Audio pronunciation of "Artisan" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärt-zn, -sn)
n.

A skilled manual worker; a craftsperson.

crafts·man Audio pronunciation of "Craftsman" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krftsmn)
n.

A man who practices a craft with great skill.

Modeller

Modeler \Mod"el*er\, n. One who models; hence, a worker in plastic art. [Written also modeller.]
 
A thousand years ago one of my Art teachers told me: "If the Medium FIGHTS you it is Art."

There are no skilled and talented figure painters who sit down and following simple steps end up with a 'living' creation.

There are no skilled and talented sculptors who sit down and in the space of a moment have an original, vibrant miniature.

Another teacher told me: "When you're working on a painting you're an artist. When you stop and do something else you are no longer an artist until you get back to the canvas. "

So few of us earn a living in this field. We may be anything from salesmen, doctors, lawmen, techs, hitmen ( a la 3 Days of the Condor ), accountants, lawyers
( hmmmm ), bankers....whatever to keep food on the table and pay the utilities.

But when we pick up the brush, or sculpting tool....while we work we are artists.
 
Part of the reason we're all attracted to this is that most of us do fancy ourselves as amateur historians deep down.

The skill levels in what we do as a group of modellers are, at times, breathtaking. I'm sure we can all think of people whose stuff blows us away. And I'm sure we all try to raise the bar a bit in each new project. As long as it's enjoyable that's all that counts.

As for the 'art' debate, think of this. In the Tate Modern in London there is a pile of housebricks. That's all it is, nothing more. And some idiot somewhere considers that to be art.

So there you go...
 
For me it isn't art for what I'm doing, But when I look at guys overhere and what they produce I think it's art.
Anyway, for me it's fun and yes also the opportunity to fill in my interest for a special period in history, World War II. So I combine them.
I can get flushes on my head when peolpe say to me for what I produce they say it is art.
I follow the opinion of Marc Megroot. There are a lot of peaces in musea I think there is no art to it. It's only because they were the first to do it and some fools thought it should be art then.
 
So you see a colour plate of a beautiful napoleonic uniform. And you sit down and think. And then you make a mannequin and start sculpting and you end up creating something out of practically nothing. So now you have a nice sculpture(art) and you pick up the brushes and you think again.You think how to mix the colours,how to create special effects and how to bring the sculpture you created to life and so on and so on. Now if anybody has a problem thinking that this is not art than I'm crazy. YES I consider myself an artist with a deep love for history. Not everybody can create what we do and that's art in itself.

My penny's worth

Stephen Mallia
 
Originally posted by Uruk-Hai@Aug 28 2005, 01:16 PM


On the other hand, when I see the stuff that qualifies as art today I think that could be an insult. ;)
When we see a wheelbarrow full of bricks being brought into a museum and dumped on the floor and then call it art...I tend to agree with Janne! :lol:
Just think, this so called "artist" is probably living off the money from this "dump".

This discussion seems to come up every so often and I've tried to keep quiet but I have to be honest. IN MY OPINION. Until our work consistently graces the pages of history/military books used for reference. And or sits in major "art" museums, our work is nothing more than beautifully sculpted and painted MODELS!

Also, if someone in our hobby comes off the bat and says "I'M AN ARTIST"! I think that is rather pretentious and should come down from the "high horse".

I consider myself a "passionate armchair historian/modeler/hobbyist (reenacting)."

Jason :)
 
I sculpt. I paint. I create from nothing. I consider myself to be an artist. But I don't have the arrogance to consider myself a particulalry good one. :lol:

I rebel at the definition of art that requires that it make some kind of statement or trigger an emotional reaction in the viewer. While I consider my work to be art of a sort, I do not extend that definition to meat dresses or the many of the latest "installations" in the local art shrine.

When it comes down to it, whether its art or not is in the eye of the beholder. There is no right or wrong answer.

But I would point out that miniature ivory sculptures and miniature 2D enamel and watercolour portrait paintings on ivory do meet the generally accepted defiinition of art. So why shouldn't our stuff be considered art too - albeit amateur in most cases. Maybe if our stuff lasts a hundred years or so, the controversy will be solved.

Cheers

Colin (mounted firmly on his high horse)
 
Well, I don't think I need to add anything more to this thread other than, I agree with John Boilard (y)...and although his comment makes sense, I don't particularly agree with Jason... :lol:
 
Originally posted by crf@Aug 28 2005, 07:30 PM


Colin (mounted firmly on his high horse)
I assure you, the soles of your boots are quite visible and the thunder from the hooves of your steed is disheartening!

MERE MORTALS! I BESEECH YOU TO FORM SQUARE!!! I SAY FORM SQUARE!!! :lol:

Cheers!

Ever so humbled,

Jason
 
I consider figure painters, as 3d Painters, and so artists. Believe it or no, after 25 years + of modelling armor and dioramas, i am now completely transferred to figures , having quitted all my past , and the feeling is completely, different. I havent ever talked to a tank , or a jeep. But i find me staring my figures in the eyes for many hours, while i wotk on them and after i have them finished in my showcase. Fihure painting is definately an art, and much more serious than many others so - called arts !!
 
Looks like nowadays everything can have the word 'art' attached to it.

Just do a quick search on Amazon with 'art' as the key word. 'Zen' is another such word. The summum would be 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'! :lol: (not a bad read otherwise)

So artists or modellers? It all goes back to what one calls 'art'.

In my own definition, as long as you have to fight the medium, it's CRAFTS. It's when you get past the medium that ART can start.

In that respect, I'm definitively a non-artist. ;)

Q.
 

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