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Well my original comments about the DS figures I bought have certainly created a reaction, and prompted discussion.
My observations now though and what has supprised me, is the person who I bought the figures from,has in the past been very prolific on this site extolling the virtues of Digital Sculpting, and indeed I made my judgement on the good words he was stating. Now it seems the cat has got his tongue, and the one person that I thought would add his ten pennoth has strangely kept quiet. There may be a very good reason for this,and therefor I will give him the Benifit of the doubt, in not replying. I would like to thank all you Planateers for your contributions, I think I now understand the subject a little bit better, and you have cleared my mind to the extent that I am now aware of what I could be letting myself in for should I want to go down this road again in the near future.
 
Waterman said:
Well having read the threads on Planet Figure, about this new method of digitally sculpting figures, and now having bought some from the guy in America that has written a number of articles on here, then I do not think that traditional sculptors have anything to fear whatsoever. My Figures arrived from the States, and they were not cheap, but I was expecting something along the quality of what Carl Reid, Moz, and many other Sculptors here in the UK provide us with. What I got was awfull, and the amount of cleanup that I have now to do, will take a great deal of time. There was none of the feel of looking at a quality piece on opening the box, just one of despair at the amount of work needed by me,before I can even think about painting them.
I sent for these figures because I wanted them to go on the footplate of two large scale American locos that I have on display,but I wish now that they had been produced by a sculptor sculpting in the normal way. If this is the future, then quite frankly it is a step back to the days of the old crude cast lead stuff of my boyhood.
Then on top of this, and to add insult to injury, after paying the shipping charge I had to pay £4-88p VAT, before the Post Office would deliver them to me,plus £8 Handling Charge, for them collecting the VAT.
I know the charges this end are not the fault of the guy in the States, but the quality of the figures and the price of them, does mean that in future anything digitally printed I will be steering well clear of, and giving my custom to our home bred traditional manufacturers. If you want quality, then the master needs to be sculpted by hand, and then the mould maker and caster needs to apply their skills to bring it to the market .
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I'm assuming you are referring to me sir since you had the bad form of complaining on one of my threads instead of contacting me directly. Had you contacted me we may have worked something out.
If you tried to contact me and I did not get your email then I apologize but if you should have complained to paypal they would have contacted me and you wouldn't have felt compelled to act like coward here on this forum.
Your issue is with my abilities as a sculptor and a mold maker sir and not with Digital Sculpting. And you have every right to your opinion, that being said, the quality I represented on my shopping cart was not misrepresented. There were adequate images so you should have been able to tell from those images what quality to expect.
I don't pretend to be Carl Reid. My figures do not sell for anywhere near the costs that his (at least here in the U.S.) because I don't feel I've reached that level of artistry.
So if you want to critique my work, critique my work, but don't come down on the whole industry for what I do. You haven't got the experience or the expertise or the class to make a good argument against Digital Sculpting so you pick on one person and paint the whole industry with that same broad brush. Very narrow minded my friend.
If anyone in the future has issue with my work, contact me directly. Don't be a pussy and blind side me on a forum. I may not be as good a sculptor as Waterman expects, but I pride myself on responding to my customers and if you don't hear back from me it will mean I have either died or I didn't get your email. If I don't get your email use my contact page. If that doesn't work, then complain to paypal. Others have done it because their mail bounced and I have resolved every issue.
I'm not just a sculptor, I'm a collector of figures to, and I've been doing both since I was old enough sit at a table on my own.
Oh, and if you are interested in any of my figures, look at the digital sculpting forum. I post images of the castings there too.
 
Hmmmmm...I smell a rat! Waterman could see what the finished figures were like before plunging in and buying them. So why didn't he just offer some critique on the digital forum? Instead he goes straight on the forum trying to demean DS as a whole. Why not just send a private message to RKapuaala? It sort of dovetails nicely into the closed opinions of the clique that has been so antagonized by DS on this forum before. Whilst sympathizing with watermans experience I found myself having to defend and explain DS because of the overall unwillingness of people to do ANY f*****g research themselves yet can unashamedly spout off negatively about it. Seeing just how upset RKapuaala is has got me thinking. Smells a bit like a stitch up.
 
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Zodiac I am not getting into an argument with you or anybody else. My integrity has been brought into question, and as it is now being said that I did not purchase the said figures,I have now put a photo of them on here, after much work cleaning up I have started painting two of them. If you are smelling a Rat,Zodiac, then you might have a problem with where you are putting your nose.
 
They don't look too bad now you've got some paint on them. The guy by his own admission isn't state of the art digital sculptor nor is he Carl Reid, whatever his shortcomings as a sculptor he's pushing the envelope so to speak. My nose now says move on.
 
I'm starting to detect the same foul stench as Zodiac. You told me on my thread in the DS forum that you ordered these through email and that you weren't able to read the descriptions on my site. But I don't sell figures to anyone through email and the only record I have of these same exact figures being sold is to some lady named Rosemary living in Derbyshire and she bought them from my site. No one else has bought the same combination of figures. So how can you deny that you had no idea they were castings or what the quality was when I have images and descriptions right on my shopping cart? http://scalehumans.com
Further you compare my prices to the same as Carl Reid,
The figures cost:
$9, $25, $15, and $25 starting with Shutte the large painted figure and going around clock wise to Pippin the 5 part kit in a plastic bag. You folks must get Carl's figures for way cheaper than we do here across the pond. Oh, and we only get them in 1:35 scale not in 1:20.32 scale. My figures are actually larger than the once I've priced from Carl although I'm aware he also offers sculpts in several scales.
You also state in my thread that I made it seem like you were buying prints because of the wording I used in previous threads describing the following figures Mz M, Fat Belgian, The Brit and the Pippins and fred.
Here are the links to those threads, all of them state I am making molds, not offering prints. So you are very confused sir and I find your 'integrity' extremely poor.
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/lastest-batch-of-prints.53725/
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/coming-may-12th-to-scalehumans-com.55677/
http://www.planetfigure.com/threads/april-releases-available-for-preorder.55379/
 
I give up with you, Yes they were paid for on Rosemary's Pay Pal Account, she is my wife. If the sitting figure was a clay sculpt,then why show it on a DS chat site? You can try and baffle me with what you like , rather than admit that yes you sold me rubbish and were economical with the truth. Remember the customer is always right, he votes with his money. You have shot yourself in the foot, because had they been good, I would have been ready to buy a lot more, not only for myself, but others were interested in what I had found as well. I have wasted far too much time on this subject now, I want to get on with my life, but I wanted you to know that what I have told you is the truth,I have not set out to do you down, so please don't accuse me of knowing what quality I was getting. If I had known,do you honestly think that I would have given you an order, and parted with getting on for £100 all told. Lesson learned for me, Trust No One, and only buy if you can examine its quality first.
 
Waterman, get your facts straight. The Schutte figure, the seated one that you already painted was not shown on the DS site. I've never even shown it on planet figure it is 6 years old. Show me one thread this figure appears on in the DS site?
"You can try and baffle me with what you like , rather than admit that yes you sold me rubbish and were economical with the truth." First off, you were baffling. I was trying to get at the truth and slowly you admit it.
Talk about your integrity, you have none sir. You've made assertion after assertion, and not once backed it up with any determinable facts till you were prodded.
1st You tried to avoid the fact that you called them prints, when they were castings, to support your flimsy argument against Digital Sculpting and Digital prints.
2nd You claimed repeatedly to have ordered them through email, but didn't want to tell me where the email was or what address and insisted you forgot and did not order from my site when you did and now you admit it.
3rd You claim that in the DS forum I lead you to believe that you were buying prints insisting that I never mentioned they were castings even after I provided you with links to the very threads you were referring to that do contain the language informing you they were castings.
4th You claimed that you were so disgusted with them you couldn't bare to paint them, but your image says otherwise.
5th You claimed the masters need to be "Sculpted by Hand" ignoring the fact that all the figures are sculpted my figures are sculpted by hand and one of them you bought was sculpted using clay instead of a computer.
6th You insisted that my figures were as expensive as Carl's when they are in fact not.
Through this whole discussion you have insisted that your failure to be informed was my fault, that I had mislead you, yet nothing in any of the threads I have posted in the DS forum or any of the descriptions I have provided on my site supports your so called 'truth'. Still you insist and throw your hands up in despair and lament "Trust No One'. And you call that integrity. Hopefully you did learn a lesson from this, and from now on you'll read the descriptions of the product and look at the images instead of just ordering them blindly. Hopefully you will make an honest attempt to contact people before you try to 'bring them down'
But was that really your goal, or are you just one of those who is going to dis respect Digital Sculpting and look for every opportunity to find fault with it. Me thinks the later.
 
Nothing to do with disrespecting DS, if it gives a quality product then yes I am all for it. I don't care how it's made,it's the finished product, would I like to own it, that's what matters to me, not how you got there. I am not a sculptor,or an artist,or a computor whizz kid. I may get my e mails mixed up with my e bays or whatever you call it, I couldn't care less quite frankly, and you want to question my integrity, well so be it, but at the end of the day,you are selling Rubbish in my opinion, and you are not as capable as you purport to be . Now if you want to lay the blame for your lack of skills, on my doorstep, and say that I never read the print properly,or didn't understand, or a thousand and one other lame excuses, than that's down to you. I know that you would have liked me to have kept quiet,and just hoped that I would have gone away rather than hurt your pride in public, but I've had enough of guys that say something passionately about what they can do, and then are happy to take the money,and then try and make the customer the Devil,because he had the audacity to complain.
 
Can you guys take this dispute to PMs please. We now we have two strings discussing this issue. I think you can both deal with it privately....or not.

Colin
 
You amaze me. I never claimed to be any more than what I am, but you would turn this around to make it seem like I was passing myself off as Michael Angelo. The only arguments I've made is that I represented my product accurately and you ordered from my site which you denied repeatedly. You only admitting to ordering from my site after I was able to determine what the order was and find a copy of it for myself without the benefit of knowing who placed the order, because you insisted it was by email. Why were you so elusive about ordering from my site? Was it because my site contains photos and descriptions.
When will you admit you were not mislead? That is what I want to hear.
You falsely claim that I would have liked you to keep this whole thing quiet. Well, this isn't exactly quiet, I could have avoided the issue easily. But I decided to expose you for what you are.
If you were an honorable person you would have acknowledge getting some of your facts wrong. You have not.
If you were an honorable person you would have contacted me with your complaints first. You did not.
If there is something wrong with the castings, I will and have compensated people. I've had customers whose wives have bought them figures in the wrong scale. After they contact me about the problem I asked them to send the figures back to me and I give them a full refund. That's a fact. But you're whining that you weren't informed properly, that you were mislead, not your wife mind you, but you were mislead.
You pretend to have behaved nobly, but you have not. For me this is not about money or my lack of sculpting skills which I have already confessed are not up to your standards and not as good as many of the people I have seen on this site. This about my integrity which you have repeatedly tried to refute by ignoring the facts and hoping that others will as well. And you have no right to do that sir.
 
Hey Colin! I'm expressing my opinion! Don't tell me what to do. OK?
 
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