I wouldn't let this incident put you off exhibiting your figures. It hasn't put me off - I intend to go to Euro again next year and hopefully enter figures.Are these venues not insured for liability? Or the promoters for that matter? I'm in two minds whether to submit (for the first time) at Telford in Novemeber now...
By the way, anybody else attending or planning to compete at the IPMS show next month?
Figure Damaged At Euro
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JonP
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Look forward to catching up with you.
Edward As someone who complained bitterly about 2011 Euro (mostly Judging) I have to say that 2012 was a wonderful show and yours was the only bad point I have heard, (apart from the usual grumpin). Down to one judge and who knows why you were not informed. Your figure is labeled and they have loudspeakers round the hall,
Edward, I for one will be back next year and always carry glue with me, just in case you need some. Better luck next year.
Hope to see you there. Will you be wearing your turban, for recognition?
Don
pgarri27
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Yes, the biggest problem here was the attempt to repair the figure. Next would be not contacting the owner to say sorry. I had a bust knocked off a table at a show, and I returned to find it in pieces, some of them still on the floor, others picked up and put on the table. I was not upset that it got knocked over, I am sure it was an accident, but I was disappointed the knocker overer did not try to find me and apologize.
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In reference to the possibility of expensive one of models and figures getting damaged by I assume visitors to these shows, why do they not just erect a Perspex screen between the models and the visitors, this method works well at model rail shows, so why not at model shows, it would save a lot of heart ache when a one in a lifetime model gets damaged just because someone wanted to move it for a photograph or someone's child just needed to look with his hands, as kids so often do.
Paul
In reference to the possibility of expensive one of models and figures getting damaged by I assume visitors to these shows, why do they not just erect a Perspex screen between the models and the visitors, this method works well at model rail shows, so why not at model shows, it would save a lot of heart ache when a one in a lifetime model gets damaged just because someone wanted to move it for a photograph or someone's child just needed to look with his hands, as kids so often do.
Paul
DEL
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Paul you'll see there's every opinion imaginable on this topic...from....display cabinets to leave as is. The latter is my view, the level of damage, thankfully minimal is a risk that we all take in our stride. The idea of a perspex screen is I think fine for certain situations but at euro figures are being added to the tables all through Saturday morning so easy access is needed similarly when judging takes place. I can visualise a situation where a relatively heavy perspex screen gets pushed and falls onto a table with the resulting devastation that could cause.
This situation was simply a poor but well meant error of judgement on the part of an individual.
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sd0324
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Surely you are kidding,your work must be extremely valuable if you are serious.Are these venues not insured for liability? Or the promoters for that matter? I'm in two minds whether to submit (for the first time) at Telford in Novemeber now...
By the way, anybody else attending or planning to compete at the IPMS show next month?
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Why would I be kidding? After investing hours in painting and construction and the risks of transporting the finished product to a show only to have it broken by some ham-fisted individual or some thoughtless goon getting too close to the table with a camera bag? Plus, it's not about pure 'monetary' value.
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Why wouldn't ones work be classed as valuable ?! I kno if a piece takes me fifty hours that's some time... Eighty hours more so ... At the end of the day these are original works of art ... This is not any painted plastic model this is art at this level and as such would be valuable. No different to an original painting. Figures may not be worth as much for some reason but they should be treated the same .... Maybe it's this kind of attitude that they are not valuable that causes the breakages, yeah it's ok just pick it up move it there, rucksack strap knocking away but it's ok it's just a figure. It should not be expected at shows to get even one damaged ! So you bust a Bill Horan piece at a show, what would a collector pay for that ? These have worth and should be treated as such. Ok there's not many Bill Horans but the majority at Euro are of a very very high level.
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Turban and False Beard Edward you'll be lucky to get in the door before they arrest you
Uruk-Hai
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Valuable or not, I like to hold people responsible if they damage or break my belongings.
Just the cost for a kit, piedestal, sign, paint etc lays between 40-100£. Some sculpture/painters sells their work for sums up to 800£, so surely there is some value to it.
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Janne Nilsson
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Perhaps this whole argument could be settled by the organisers insuring against this happening, which might be expensive!? alternatively why don't they just pay compensation to the owner at the going rate, many of the judges regularly sell their pieces so it wouldn't be to difficult to come to a sensible compensation level.....................as long as we don't end up with modellers dropping items to get paid..I don't mean to offend modellers but there is always someone.......................
Keith
..I don't mean to offend modellers but there is always someone.......................Keith
JonP
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I would suggets that if anyone has serious concerns about their figures getting damaged it would probably be worth geting them insured themselves! There is always a risk of them being damaged at home or en route to a show as well.
sd0324
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Well, here we go,I too value my figures,(and have sold several to collectors myself so I understand the monetary value at stake) but to expect the shows to carry insurance is ridiculous. How in the world would that be affordable? maybe an exorbitant entry fee to cover the cost? Then people would bitch about the cost of entry,there is some risk involved in life and things happen. if you are that worried about figures being wantonly destroyed by mobs at shows then keep them safe at home,if your work is that valuable the collectors will be contacting you without any risk of damage. No offense meant,but this idea seems silly to me.
sd0324
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Uruk-Hai
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Where have I suggested the solution to be an insurance for the organizers? On the other hand this show is a business event with a profit, I would see it more costsome for smaller clubs with the insurance bit as it then its in a smaller scale. (Pardon the pun.) Should there be no responsibilty at all?
There is only one person responsible in this scenario discussed and that is the woman that damaged it in the first place.
It should be her money and her insurance. It is a simply civil matter not any different than if your neighbor should trash your mailbox when backing with the car.
Dont most people have insurance should they accidentally damage other peoples properity? Here in Sweden we sure do.
In this particular scenario the show has some responsibilty for the damage being added due to the trial of repair that did not turn out well.
I would like to see a big sign at the door as well as small signs at the tables saying that you could be held economical responsible should you damage any of the exhibits. And perhaps it to be an extra fine if you where wearing a backpack?
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Janne Nilsson
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